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Jamie's avatar

Ponderings.. How many females in power are there because of something in their past that has not healed and they project their 'trauma' onto the rest of us under the guise of 'saving society'.

How many people that believe that Men always had it good, without actually reading any proper history.

Tom Golden's avatar

Indeed. And the next question which always puzzles me is: "How did they get the majority of women and many men, academia, the media, the legislatures and judiciary to agree with their one sided and vile fantasies"??? That is quite a feat. Gynocentrism runs silent and deep.

Jamie's avatar

I found the points in this post interesting Tom https://kathurl.substack.com/p/feminine-evil-part-ii

I'm quite amazed at how many women are posting against feminism...

Jamie's avatar

Good question.

It is like a contagion.

To answer that, I think men need to look deep and honestly at themselves, first, in relation to women!

As a gay man, I've heard of gay men who didn't want to be in a relationship because they didn't want to suffer like their mothers!!!?? Work that out Tom. I know this kind of bullshit thinking. "it runs silent and deep".

I can honesty say there are times when I just cannot challenge a woman. The best I can do, right now, is to acknowledge that fact and sit with it.

Challenge as much as one can at any given time. My partner follows the feminist line, but, I'm never 100% sure that he does actually.

However, a couple of times he has said, "you are right, there are more female clothes shops in that street than I actually believed!"

Maybe this would be a good topic for you, Janice, Hannah and James Nuzzo :) :)

Tom Golden's avatar

"However, a couple of times he has said, "you are right, there are more female clothes shops in that street than I actually believed!""

LOL!!!!

Jamie's avatar

hahahaha I don't blame you for the 'lol' Tom, but I saw it as a big step forward for mankind lololol

The thing with the clothes shops is, that some would believe that this is important, and it shows how females are 'cared', 'looked after', 'equal', but what is really missed is how it is 'just business'... there is money to made from these ladies.. and there would be, unproven, some that think they are now equal with Men when in fact the ratio of mens clothing shops compared to women is not equal... and this means that women add more to the destruction of the environment in buying so many clothes that are using resources [sorry folks... but...] and labour, which is usually in poorer countries.. otherwise, how could these women afford all these wonderful clothes!!!!

Jamie's avatar

or, anyone in power for that matter!!

Sadredin Moosavi's avatar

Increasingly I think gynocentrism results from women constantly coveting what they PERCEIVE as the advantages/rewards of being male but without a willingness to put forth the effort or make the sacrifices needed to EARN those rewards. This is why Commissions on the Status of Women (by whatever name) always come up with the ways men are advantaged over women without actually ever assessing the true status of men and whether the men truly have advantages rather than women perceiving that men have advantages. It's also why I think the best answer to the complaints from women are versions of...OK...demonstrate the same effort resulting in the same quality of result as men using the same resources...then we'll talk about the "rewards"...or in other words "Put Up or Shut Up"!

L Thompson's avatar

One of the biggest problems I see in discussing gender disparities is that there is a conflation of Patriarchy and actual men, and Feminism and actual women. The ideological battle of constructed and often false identities (Patriarchy and Feminism) quickly gets reduced to a battle between men and women. This doesn't need to happen, but there is a lot of laziness. For instance; the majority of men and women support a woman's legal access to abortion, and 51% of voters in the USA are female, yet men are blamed and not the 51% of white women who voted for Trump. When men are conscripted, and not women (like in Ukraine and Russia), to fight and die in wars, Feminism has little to say about the gender favoritism of the Patriarchy that shields them from being maimed or killed. This same "Patriarchy" is loudly condemned when Hegseth demotes women in the military. I believe both practices are wrong, and both are based on traditional views of men and women ("Patriarchy") but Feminism is only concerned about equality when it is an advantage, not a responsibility.

I view that "Patriarchy" as a rigid devision of labor (responsibilities and advantages) that serve and disadvantage both sexes differently. It is false to view the "Patriarchy" as a creation solely of men, it is supported by both men and women. Men have a tremendous number of disadvantages and responsibilities that women don't face, just as women do, within the "Patriarchal" system. The problem with feminism is that it is only concerned with female disadvantages, and can't see men at all of being of concern.

We need to move towards Egalitarianism, an ideology that can see both the advantages and disadvantages both sexes experience within our current social constructs, and strives for equality and wellbeing for both men and women, together!

Jamie's avatar

I'd love to see the same cartoon video with words like: equality, men, women, DEI, toxic masculinity, DV, human suffering, human rights and whatever there is along that line, on the left and spitting out on the right.. imagines of men doing all the hard jobs and women doing the easy jobs.