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Sadredin Moosavi's avatar

Again, this analysis is spot on. The problem here is that the responses men are expected to provide, concern for the other, restraint of one's own opinion/needs are generally the correct way we should deal with others. The problem arises from women being selectively excluded from these same obligations vis a vis others, especially in interactions with men. What is the solution?

Hold women to the same standards as if they were another man. Require them openly and publicly to "man-up", "act their age" and "stop being a premadona" when they try to play the gynocentric game. If their complaints are over emotional drivel (as they usually are), say that to them directly and dismiss their complaints. Further, when even legitimate complaints are delivered in a sexist/gynocentric way dismiss THEM as well saying the woman will NOT be heard until she gets her own emotions under control. Make quite clear that the stereotypical female histrionics are a disqualifying behavior for engaging with her on any level and be willing to hold the line. Time for women who behave this way to find themselves voted out of the conversation and off the island as it were until they start to behave properly.

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This is really interesting, Tom, with your focus here on interpersonal relations. The interpersonal is clearly shaping, and shaped by, social discourse (societal norms). The big development that, I think, deserves more scrutiny and attention is how our public discourse (public policy/ media opinion) in the 21st century now seems to be dominated by theory and social movements that are seemingly immune from criticism. We need to be able to discuss these issues in an inclusive manner without anyone being immediately cancelled as a “misogynist” to shut down debate. It is not constructive, for example, to casually say that masculinity is “toxic” – and yet so many people do. How on earth can we have cohesive societies with such divisive rhetoric being mainstream, and increasingly shaping public policy without solid evidential underpinning?

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