Janice pointed this out but I think it needs emphasizing. The leaders of the feminist movement, who are also leaders in the hate men movement, are mainstream. They are well-known, out in the open professors, psychologists, sociologists, researchers, politicians, etc. And they are quite candid about their hatred of men. This hatred of men is justified by them and the media, and is perfectly acceptable and normal. Meanwhile, feminists and the media have to go to the backwaters of the internet to find men who openly show hatred of women. These men, like Andrew Tate, are presented as the leaders of the men’s movement and the manosphere. These men are pilloried, shamed, and canceled as human beings. And they are used as another reason to hate men. Meanwhile, intelligent, reasonable, logical, compassionate men’s rights advocates like Warren Farrell and the 4 people in this video are ignored. It really sucks.
Well done everybody. A great discussion. The final comments by Hanna, namely that the severity of the feminist malady make it uncurable, match the dashed hopes of many a young man. And older ones too.
A subject that was briefly discussed in the video is women’s victimhood and how men are not allowed to be victims. I have a sexual selection theory on why this is. What do you think?
Human children are pretty helpless for several years. Mothering them is a huge chore. Mothers needed help raising their children. They got this help from fathers. Women needed to find men who were strong, smart, protective, rich in resources and willing to share. Women ignored men who had no resources, or worse, men who needed help themselves. These men would be no help in raising children. Women discovered a way to help find the rich, sharing men---a woman would complain and would see which men would run to her aid. These men became prime prospects for mates. Men who complained or needed help themselves were ruled out as mates. Women quickly learned how to complain. And men quickly learned that if they wanted sex, they better not complain. As a result, women are allowed to complain and to receive help. Men are not allowed to complain and therefore do not receive help. Women can be victims, men can’t.
Nature has a bias toward problem-solving, and it does it by gentle shifts of equilibrium, rarely by revolution.
As the feminist hate-machine and its handmaiden, "family law courts" lately ramped up, so did the red-pill movement. Men have discovered that, like the WOPR in "Wargames," the only winning move is not to play, and they are doing that.
At a Starbucks yesterday the point was brought home: a half-dozen tatted-up, blue-haired, hog-ringed young women sitting alone with their computers, and in walks a local Pentecostal young lady, devoid even of makeup, with six children in tow. Add to that the friends just in my little circle with foreign brides, and it occurs that the problem is solving itself.
It's not whether Feminists hate men, thats a given and easily put aside.
The real problem is the main stream media, law, and politicians endorsing the narrative either because they're scared or weak as piss or pussy whipped.
Following the sudden appearance of female influencers (The Femosphere) on social media platforms such as Facebook and Instagram, pushing the narrative that Misandry is non-existent.
well, but at least they are using that word now. Before, it was ignored. And I take it as a success of MRM that this word is no longer ignored, but discussed.
I think bold titles with abstracts that overstate the study’s findings or significance are the hallmarks of “idea laundering.” The intent is that this article, despite its lack of academic merit, can now be cited by future feminist publications that will present it as fact and use it to fuel further misrepresentation.
Thank you for this invaluable and enlightening discussion. Many hate groups try to obfuscate their hatred for their targets when they are confronted, often accusing anyone who would question them as unwholesome to punish them for trying to shed light on their hatred. It’s standard bullying behavior that feminism has deftly deployed for decades. The next step is to hold media and policy groups responsible for allowing and sometimes promoting this bullying.
Yet to watch the video, however, a female friend mentioned the Patriarchy during a recent conversation. I reacted and heard back, 'it's not aimed at men.'
I questioned this, and the further reply was something like, "it is the system"
The other thing, after diving deep into the TransGender discussion - why etc., etc., , I have discovered - much to my horror, but non the less, is that some women will even blame the Trans phenomena on the Patriarchy/Men. It is Mens ideology - said one man in an article.
There is a lot more to say and I think males should be watching their backs even more, if that is possible.
Yes, it's just 'the system.' Why then call it 'patriarchy' if it's not, allegedly run by men for men's benefit? They are all such cowardly liars.
As for trans ideology being started by men, I've heard that too, ad nauseum. I've written extensively about the feminist roots of trans ideology. It goes back at least as far as Simone De Beauvoir and comes out clearly in the writings of Shulamith Firestone, Kate Millett, Andrea Dworkin, and Judith Butler.
Nice point Janice about 'why then call it patriarchy'..
I'll have a look at Simone De Beauvoir again .. and search your substack.
I had not connected the dots that you had addressed 'Trans', but, maybe I wasn't ready to digest it...
Whilst I admit the topic is multifaceted, Trans, I know some gay men and lesbians who are against it totally and it is all starting to split the LGB TQ+++ community. Its much the same in what happened to you Janice and Jordan Petersen - being thrown under the bus for daring to question anything - a lesbian friend was called a fascist at a meeting in Zürich for attending an 'LGB' meeting and that excluded the T.
Anyway, I digress.. this is my topic for the last few months.
I read on a substack where it was written:
"At the heart of trans activism is a belief in an all important gender identity and in gender transition as a way to reconcile one’s body with one’s identity. But for these notions to make sense, you must believe
that certain behaviours, preferences, clothing and haircuts belong exclusively to one sex or the other. Sex has to be restrictive and you need sexist ideas to be true, otherwise there’s nothing to escape from, and there’s no relief in adopting the identity of another sex. If either sex can do anything, like anything, or wear anything, then the whole idea of an incongruent gender identity collapses."
So why am I banging on about this?
Well, there seems to be many splits in many 'groups'.
The focus on one minority leaves another behind - a female family member with a daughter with cerebral palsy tells me [she is a patriarchy screamer as well] that she meets discrimination most days because of her daughters wheel chair, but the government isn't pushing for Equal Rights in her direction;
If I as a gay man 'scream for more rights' then that means someone else has to provide them [surely this is slavery]; pay for them [economic slavery] or possibly has less rights than I end up with !!!
Some people keep pointing to the stereotypes, already mentioned, while bitterly fighting against them!!! I get this imagine of two actors fighting each other but they are play acting to make it all look good.
And obviously, we men changed so much that one could hardly recognise them, then there is nothing less to fight for!!!
Men and women are equally shitty. Just in different ways. Female entitlement is no less shitty then male entitlement. Women just get away with it more these days.
Feminists almost always will tell you that they don't hate men (as, perhaps, other groups with adversarial thoughts can tell you that they don't hate certain people). So, asking them about that topic will be end in inaccurare results anyway. The study that talks about feminist hatred in Reddit is better, because the author doesn't ask if they hate men, and doesn't assumes that hatred either: she goes to Reddit and feminists reveal their hatred or contempt for men more openly.
Prediction before watching the video: the studies don’t understand that desire to reform men out of toxic masculinity (which would result in men behaving like women) coupled with conditional acceptance of feminist men are, in fact, form of misandry, because feminists can’t accept masculine normal. However this isn’t core problem and this manifestation would be hateful on itself; it is that feminism is inherently antagonistic toward men and frames everything as patriarchal oppression and war of sexes.
Janice pointed this out but I think it needs emphasizing. The leaders of the feminist movement, who are also leaders in the hate men movement, are mainstream. They are well-known, out in the open professors, psychologists, sociologists, researchers, politicians, etc. And they are quite candid about their hatred of men. This hatred of men is justified by them and the media, and is perfectly acceptable and normal. Meanwhile, feminists and the media have to go to the backwaters of the internet to find men who openly show hatred of women. These men, like Andrew Tate, are presented as the leaders of the men’s movement and the manosphere. These men are pilloried, shamed, and canceled as human beings. And they are used as another reason to hate men. Meanwhile, intelligent, reasonable, logical, compassionate men’s rights advocates like Warren Farrell and the 4 people in this video are ignored. It really sucks.
Yes, exactly. You said it better than I. The discrepancy is enormous yet never admitted.
Not even Andew Tate hates women. We just know women are quite awful humans compared to men. Gender hatred is a female thing.
Well done everybody. A great discussion. The final comments by Hanna, namely that the severity of the feminist malady make it uncurable, match the dashed hopes of many a young man. And older ones too.
A subject that was briefly discussed in the video is women’s victimhood and how men are not allowed to be victims. I have a sexual selection theory on why this is. What do you think?
Human children are pretty helpless for several years. Mothering them is a huge chore. Mothers needed help raising their children. They got this help from fathers. Women needed to find men who were strong, smart, protective, rich in resources and willing to share. Women ignored men who had no resources, or worse, men who needed help themselves. These men would be no help in raising children. Women discovered a way to help find the rich, sharing men---a woman would complain and would see which men would run to her aid. These men became prime prospects for mates. Men who complained or needed help themselves were ruled out as mates. Women quickly learned how to complain. And men quickly learned that if they wanted sex, they better not complain. As a result, women are allowed to complain and to receive help. Men are not allowed to complain and therefore do not receive help. Women can be victims, men can’t.
Nature has a bias toward problem-solving, and it does it by gentle shifts of equilibrium, rarely by revolution.
As the feminist hate-machine and its handmaiden, "family law courts" lately ramped up, so did the red-pill movement. Men have discovered that, like the WOPR in "Wargames," the only winning move is not to play, and they are doing that.
At a Starbucks yesterday the point was brought home: a half-dozen tatted-up, blue-haired, hog-ringed young women sitting alone with their computers, and in walks a local Pentecostal young lady, devoid even of makeup, with six children in tow. Add to that the friends just in my little circle with foreign brides, and it occurs that the problem is solving itself.
Thanks for these video's.
The 4 different backgrounds make this very interesting.
It's not whether Feminists hate men, thats a given and easily put aside.
The real problem is the main stream media, law, and politicians endorsing the narrative either because they're scared or weak as piss or pussy whipped.
There is a multipronged attack to debunk claims of misandry and prove that Misandry is a myth.
First is the TED presentation by Chloe Laws, who claims to be a journalist and gender equality campaigner.
Misandry Myths | Chloe Laws | TEDxTeessideWomen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zerQ1XSx0s
Following the sudden appearance of female influencers (The Femosphere) on social media platforms such as Facebook and Instagram, pushing the narrative that Misandry is non-existent.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ESa9M9QSq/
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18VFq9MgTp/
And finally, women who hold academic positions, producing research in an effort to prove that misandry is again non-existent.
well, but at least they are using that word now. Before, it was ignored. And I take it as a success of MRM that this word is no longer ignored, but discussed.
The observation that they are going to a great deal of effort and expending resources to "prove" that misandry does not exist suggests success.
I think bold titles with abstracts that overstate the study’s findings or significance are the hallmarks of “idea laundering.” The intent is that this article, despite its lack of academic merit, can now be cited by future feminist publications that will present it as fact and use it to fuel further misrepresentation.
Thank you for this invaluable and enlightening discussion. Many hate groups try to obfuscate their hatred for their targets when they are confronted, often accusing anyone who would question them as unwholesome to punish them for trying to shed light on their hatred. It’s standard bullying behavior that feminism has deftly deployed for decades. The next step is to hold media and policy groups responsible for allowing and sometimes promoting this bullying.
Yet to watch the video, however, a female friend mentioned the Patriarchy during a recent conversation. I reacted and heard back, 'it's not aimed at men.'
I questioned this, and the further reply was something like, "it is the system"
The other thing, after diving deep into the TransGender discussion - why etc., etc., , I have discovered - much to my horror, but non the less, is that some women will even blame the Trans phenomena on the Patriarchy/Men. It is Mens ideology - said one man in an article.
There is a lot more to say and I think males should be watching their backs even more, if that is possible.
Yes, it's just 'the system.' Why then call it 'patriarchy' if it's not, allegedly run by men for men's benefit? They are all such cowardly liars.
As for trans ideology being started by men, I've heard that too, ad nauseum. I've written extensively about the feminist roots of trans ideology. It goes back at least as far as Simone De Beauvoir and comes out clearly in the writings of Shulamith Firestone, Kate Millett, Andrea Dworkin, and Judith Butler.
Nice point Janice about 'why then call it patriarchy'..
I'll have a look at Simone De Beauvoir again .. and search your substack.
I had not connected the dots that you had addressed 'Trans', but, maybe I wasn't ready to digest it...
Whilst I admit the topic is multifaceted, Trans, I know some gay men and lesbians who are against it totally and it is all starting to split the LGB TQ+++ community. Its much the same in what happened to you Janice and Jordan Petersen - being thrown under the bus for daring to question anything - a lesbian friend was called a fascist at a meeting in Zürich for attending an 'LGB' meeting and that excluded the T.
Anyway, I digress.. this is my topic for the last few months.
I read on a substack where it was written:
"At the heart of trans activism is a belief in an all important gender identity and in gender transition as a way to reconcile one’s body with one’s identity. But for these notions to make sense, you must believe
that certain behaviours, preferences, clothing and haircuts belong exclusively to one sex or the other. Sex has to be restrictive and you need sexist ideas to be true, otherwise there’s nothing to escape from, and there’s no relief in adopting the identity of another sex. If either sex can do anything, like anything, or wear anything, then the whole idea of an incongruent gender identity collapses."
So why am I banging on about this?
Well, there seems to be many splits in many 'groups'.
The focus on one minority leaves another behind - a female family member with a daughter with cerebral palsy tells me [she is a patriarchy screamer as well] that she meets discrimination most days because of her daughters wheel chair, but the government isn't pushing for Equal Rights in her direction;
If I as a gay man 'scream for more rights' then that means someone else has to provide them [surely this is slavery]; pay for them [economic slavery] or possibly has less rights than I end up with !!!
Some people keep pointing to the stereotypes, already mentioned, while bitterly fighting against them!!! I get this imagine of two actors fighting each other but they are play acting to make it all look good.
And obviously, we men changed so much that one could hardly recognise them, then there is nothing less to fight for!!!
I found this one on your substack, I will read it for starters: https://fiamengofile.substack.com/p/meet-the-new-feminist-hate-same-as?utm_source=publication-search
back to the video..
Men and women are equally shitty. Just in different ways. Female entitlement is no less shitty then male entitlement. Women just get away with it more these days.
Feminists almost always will tell you that they don't hate men (as, perhaps, other groups with adversarial thoughts can tell you that they don't hate certain people). So, asking them about that topic will be end in inaccurare results anyway. The study that talks about feminist hatred in Reddit is better, because the author doesn't ask if they hate men, and doesn't assumes that hatred either: she goes to Reddit and feminists reveal their hatred or contempt for men more openly.
Feminism is not about equality in any way whatsoever!
It is an ideology based on nothing but hatred of men and boys and is really all about power and SPECIAL STATUS FOR WOMEN IN ALL THINGS
Feminism is the largest hate movement the world has ever seen
They hate 1/2 of world’s entire population
Prediction before watching the video: the studies don’t understand that desire to reform men out of toxic masculinity (which would result in men behaving like women) coupled with conditional acceptance of feminist men are, in fact, form of misandry, because feminists can’t accept masculine normal. However this isn’t core problem and this manifestation would be hateful on itself; it is that feminism is inherently antagonistic toward men and frames everything as patriarchal oppression and war of sexes.
Ok
Thank you folks. Misandry has deep institutional roots it seems - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YUFvg-zgwo