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Rachael  Morgan's avatar

Yes relate to this, because it’s been turned into something horrendous for my husband. Which in turn ripples through us all

Chris Pyatt's avatar

Thank you for recognising this. Your husband is a lucky man to have you as his wife.

David Shackleton's avatar

Tom, you have a talent for developing relatable stories. Good work.

Accused Scot's avatar

There’s definitely something in this that many people will recognise, even if they don’t agree with every part of it. What stood out to us was not anger, but the gradual self-consciousness. The second-guessing. Feeling like ordinary interactions have to be carefully managed or interpreted through suspicion.

A lot of people probably do not notice how much this exists until something happens closer to home and they suddenly see how quickly perceptions of someone can change. That feeling of being viewed through a lens of suspicion all the time can quietly affect confidence, relationships, mentoring, parenting, and even how people see themselves.

There needs to be more space for honest conversations about that without everything immediately becoming hostile or divided.

Steve M's avatar

As a 57 year old man, I have repeatedly had partners flip and accuse me of being a narcissist when in an argument. I've come to realize That IS their BAKED IN MISANDRY OVERRIDING the years of healthy relationship that proves otherwise. The irrational half of hulanity runs the man hating script when upset. No man should ever allow a woman into a place of authority over his life.

Faith Anne's avatar

I once told a friend who started to align with the phrase "toxic masculinity" that it didn't exist. If a man is truly masculine, he's not toxic. If someone is toxic it has much more to do with how they operate their lives and treat people, not on genetic and biological tendencies.

Chris Pyatt's avatar

Thank you for being a good person.

Conrad Riker's avatar

Moral shock kills many a man.

False accusations, when proven as the FBI recorded 8% of rape allegations to be provably false, are a Satanic inversion of justice, they are amoral and without honor.

The solution is lex talionis.

Joesph J Esposito's avatar

LAUGH OUT LOUD. >OVER 97% of rape 'claims' are FALSE. The FBI ADMITS they expanded the definition of rape to justify the VOLUME of accusations. Important to note: ONLY cases where the accuser admitted they lied are counted as FALSE. Actual FALSE rapes are over 97% Back in the 1990's an Airforce study showed that over 60% of military w0e-MEN admitted they LIED about rape! Those are just the ones who ADMITTED IT. Check my notes.

Sadredin Moosavi's avatar

2/3 of Title IX rulings challenged in an actual court of law are found to be false. Sadly, only those with the greatest resources can afford to fight back in such a way. This suggests that false accusation rate is likely even higher than 67%. Indeed, a long time friend who worked as the administrative assistant for the college Title IX office said that the false accusation rates was at least 95%. Perhaps this is why feminists shriek about believing the woman and attack those who stand up for due process MORE than they do actual harassers/rapists. They know that most women are lying and should be prosecuted for doing so.

Joesph J Esposito's avatar

BINGO! YOU GET IT! To expose the actual reality of FALSE rape accusations would open up a BIG can of worms. Just a random sample of FALSE rape accusers and the lack of consequences for even congress w0eMEN like FALSE rape accuser NANCY MACE shows the 2% to 8% figure to not only be bullshit but in fact the inverse of the truth. btw, turns out the FOUR MEN Nancy Mace accused of rape and trafficking? SHE WAS IN A REAL ESTATE DISPUTE with the FOUR MEN she falsely accused. Remember we talked about this last year?

Sadredin Moosavi's avatar

Of course she was. False accusations are always about advancing the woman's interests in some fashion.

Tim's avatar

Exactly, the punishment for a demonstrably false accusation should be the penalty that would have applied to the accused if falsely convicted.

Mark Dent's avatar

Beautifully written. The truth is always a welcome, refreshing treat.

Chris's avatar

It is important for father's to tell their daughters that they are not oppressed, and actually have more opportunities than men do.

Tim's avatar

Not 'What have we done...' but 'What have they done...'. We shouldn't diminish the responsibility of the hateful group of women behind this phenomenon. Society's failure is that it has tolerated and acquiesced to these vile creatures instead of treating them as a hate group.

Sadredin Moosavi's avatar

Sadly, Mark's hypothetical story could be replaced with many far worse real stories. Men need to stand up for themselves and each other even if it makes them seem defensive. Further, men need to start holding women to the same standards they demand of men. Women will wither like flowers in a the Death Valley Sun when the harsh light they so love to shine on others is turned on them. Truth is revealed by such light.

Gary Edwards's avatar

Where is the female spouse in this story?

Greg Allan's avatar

While everyone frets about 1984 and Animal Farm what we really have is Kafka.

It doesn't matter what you say or do, good or bad, it WILL be used against you.

DouglasEW's avatar

That is the reason why men should fight back and learn to protest by habit.

If you are going to be boxed in whatever you do, there's no sense or comfort in being quiet.

Drawing My Line's avatar

Another pov… I know of a teenage girl who was at a school camp with another school. The kids were paired for activities between the schools. This kid was paired with a diagnosed ADHD kid from the other school. They had to do a project which the ADxx boy didn’t want to do. When the teen girl complained to the teacher her response was to let him do what he wanted and the girl should do the work. The female student said she wanted to go build things like him in the bush - why should she do the work they both were asked to do. The female teacher didn’t have an answer to that. I see the teacher was wanting to make her own life easier rather than deal with any potential conflict and create a learning space for the kids to understand how to work together.

We are dealing with a multi faceted problem I agree which has tragically become entrenched - consciously or not.

Thank you for exploring these issues so clearly to bring light and get people to think!!!

Our society has become adept at victimhood and moving people against one another and insidiously infiltrating the home. None of us are perfect. I always liked the Bible verse take the plank out of your own eye before removing the splinter from someone else’s. Sadly self righteous indignation seems to be prevailing. Also fear about saying or doing the wrong thing - me included!! But I do believe some are starting to be bolder, think more deeply and ask questions wondering where our society is at. Perhaps we can start with asking why and how and maybe try humour to dilute the behaviour - saying that not sure how well humour would go with a truly convicted self righteous person! I am also a believer that each drop makes a trickle which makes a stream etc… as each one of us shares it gives others more confidence to be a little bolder. we need to each work out what line we refuse to cross and stand strong and stable in holding that line !! Thank you again for your substack which I believe speaks a lot of truth to ‘the silent majority’

Chris Pyatt's avatar

As I was reading this, and with no prompts, my 11yo son came up to me at the breakfast table and said this; my teacher is starting to teach me about women's rights. Money, jewelry and other things that a woman has used to all be owned by men. women never were allowed to vote.

This is just the start. My eldest son endured these women's rights classes, also at the age of 11 and in primary school, it was part of the curriculum. There is no classes on men's rights, we know this because in my eldest son's class a boy stood up and asked "When do we learn about men's rights?" He was asked to sit down because they weren't learning about that, at this time. They never learned about it, not in any class.

Now, I am not going to stand here and say that women don't have legal and understandable rights in TODAY'S society, but why does this class start with a history lesson of what women lived with close and over a hundred years ago. Non indigenous women got the vote here across Australia by 1908 with South Australia leading the way in 1894 and Victoria and Queensland being the last to grant non indigenous women the right to vote in 1908 and 1905 respectively.

The thing is, for my eldest son we as the parents were asked for our permission for our son to be included in these lessons. I asked for the learning materials, that was denied. That was 4 years ago now, my 11yo who is now in grade six, we weren't even notified he was being included in this class.

This is clear and deliberate manipulative discrimination. Where is the men's rights class?

Pete Howard's avatar

Mark cares WAY TOO MUCH what other people think. Be a Man. Be Yourself.

DouglasEW's avatar

What do you mean by "be a man"? That phrase can only have meaning in relation to society. As society is twisted, so is the meaning.