A great conversation. I am still smiling at the story about kindergarten teachers being so recognizable to men that Carrie was asked if she were one just by changing the way she dressed. A great and an eye-opening anecdote. I was also encouraged to hear Carrie say that feminists idealize the masculine and shun motherhood and instead make competition with men their main focus.
When she was talking about the kindergarten teacher look, it brought to mind Miss Honey from the 1996 Matilda film. That look, similar to the author, is very recognisable, feminine and approachable. I get it.
Yes, I thought of Miss Connie, the TV children's show host back in the 50's. The kindergarten teacher is an excellent image for this. Approachable and feminine are good descriptors.
Agree that it is good to hear this coming from a woman. REally makes you appreciate Janice who has this and tons more understanding of the complex dynamics men face in today's world.
Very interesting! Thank you. It's encouraging that Carrie is carrying the message to others. Hopefully it will improve many young women and men's lives. This will lead to a happier and healthier society. I will definitely read the book. I hope it offers up suggestions as to how we can combat the radical feminist agenda.
If you were an enemy of the U.S. ie. China, fomenting discord between genders using feminism would be an ideal strategy. Since the Obama/ Biden administrations, Democrats have given he keys to the kingdom to progressives & radical feminists. I hope that one day we will remove the cancer without losing the patient.
Indeed. This message needs to be spread to all. The brainwashing is so deep it may take a while. I think Carrie would say that the family is the antidote and is the way out of this mess. Healthy and loving 2 parent families make everything better.
Feminism is the belief that women are entitled to equal respect and consideration.
Equating the words and actions of certain individual feminists with the idea of Feminism, is like equating the words and actions of certain individual Freedom-lovers, like for example the ones who attack government buildings, with the idea of Freedom.
"equating the words and actions of certain individual feminists with the idea of Feminism....."
The problem with feminism ... let me rephrase that, one of the problems with feminism is that it means all things to all people, especially people who identify as feminists. Even Germaine Greer in a recent interview with two young feminists admitted that she "chooses not to define feminism".
In practice feminism refers to ANY agenda, policy or assertion which is marketed as being 'for women' or 'by women'. When you consider the gynocentric nature of both men and women this makes feminism the most dangerous movement imaginable.
"Feminism is the belief that women are entitled to equal respect and consideration."
We hold men to a much higher intellectual and moral standards than women. This is a form of respect because it makes it much harder for men to make complete asses out of themselves in the long run. Whatever men do or say we hold their feet to the fire, we criticise them, we give them a hard time, we demand evidence and a sound argument, we remain suspicious of their intentions.
Do you believe feminists like Germaine Greer (a woman who has made a fortune selling feminism to several generations of women) should be held to the same intellectual and moral standards that we hold men to?
Should she - at the very least - be required to define what feminism is (and isn't)?
Should women as a whole be required to equal men's intellectual and moral arguments? Or should we continue to give women a 'pussy pass' in this respect?
Is the pussy pass we give to career feminists like Greer an example of female privilege ... or disrespect?
When feminists complain that being criticised, challenged and generally treated equally to men is 'unfair' and 'misogynistic' can we agree that they don't actually want equal treatment after all?
That's fine. But if feminists want to be exempt from such criticism and pushback, they should not enter the public square and attempt to dictate how society at large is organised.
"The problem with freedom ... let me rephrase that, one of the problems with freedom is that it means all things to all people, especially people who identify as freedom-lovers."
You just insist on not getting it. Speaking of intellectual standards.
"We hold men to a much higher intellectual and moral standards than women." Dude. You are defying reality. You tolerate all kinds of stupid shit from men with a laugh and a slap on the back, that when women do it you're all like "sEeeeee wOmEn cAn'T do XYZ". You are much, much more forgiving of men for their moral failures than you are of women.
Face it, you just don't like women.
Equal consideration and respect, dude. It's not hard.
If a man makes an assertion we don't just take his word for it. We demand more than that. We demand more from him. We demand he makes a proper case with facts and logic. Then, after he has made his case, we challenge everything he said, forcing him to make an even more compelling case.
What we don't do is give in to men when they get stroppy. Or cave to men when they get upset. Or accept men's foot stomping and tantrums ("Face it, you just don't like men") as a valid argument.
"You are much, much more forgiving of men for their moral failures than you are of women."
Care to give some examples where society is more forgiving of men's moral failures than women's?
No, you're just being stupid, and in denial about the apt comparison of feminists and freedom-lovers, pretending that the evidence and the answer isn't right in front of you.
Face it, you attack the message because of your unrelated issues with the messengers.
Focus on not being an asshole that woman want nothing to do with, the rest will come naturally.
The percentage of women who watch porn varies according to different studies. A study from the Ballard Brief in 2019 indicates that approximately 40% of women reported having viewed pornography within the past year (Ballard Brief). Meanwhile, other surveys suggest that about one in three women watch porn at least once a week (The Independent). These statistics highlight a significant and growing number of women who engage with pornographic content.
Still dominated by men though. Chastity is foundational in a marriage for both partners. If either the wife or husband are engaging in pornography they are engaging in infidelity. Until pornography is starved from the culture, marriages won't last. I am watching the video of the discussion with you and the two ladies, one the author. I think children need a parent at home, childcare doesn't cut it. Unfortunately, the system is set up to require two paychecks for the mortgage. The author in another time could not have gone to college, so I won't throw the 'baby out with the bathwater' in that I won't denigrate the positives of feminism. But I am very aware of the shortcomings, which have shortchanged girls, and they don't realize it, until they are older, often past childbearing years. It is a complicated issue, simply not black and white.
I can understand your thinking that way, I had the same ideas years ago. I looked at the beautiful mannequins in the storefront windows that said "Equality" and "Fairness" and bought it hook line and sinker. Then I ventured into the store and saw things that were not in line with the mannequins, like the lopsided and hateful VAWA and the anti-boy school changes that made schools all about girls and blamed boys for anything negative. Then I ventured into the back room and saw with my own eyes the underlying. motive of these folks who claim to be for equality. The underlying motive is to demolish the American 2 parent family and blame men. They have been extraordinarily successful. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it. I would urge you to check out the posts on this site or on Janice Fiamengo's site and inform yourself with the truth.
Yyeeaaahhh, and none of that has anything to do with the fact that women deserve equal respect and consideration.
If you are trying to blame all of that on Feminism, then you are more interested in shitting on women than you are in opposing DEI and the rest of that Marxist BS. If you could take that misogyny elsewhere, that would be great.
Hope in vain my friend. I am the healthy future of manhood, free of the resentments and frustration that pollute your mind, and free of woke bullshit as well.
Real men work hand in hand with women in relationships of mutual respect and admiration, not seething online insults.
A great conversation. I am still smiling at the story about kindergarten teachers being so recognizable to men that Carrie was asked if she were one just by changing the way she dressed. A great and an eye-opening anecdote. I was also encouraged to hear Carrie say that feminists idealize the masculine and shun motherhood and instead make competition with men their main focus.
When she was talking about the kindergarten teacher look, it brought to mind Miss Honey from the 1996 Matilda film. That look, similar to the author, is very recognisable, feminine and approachable. I get it.
Yes, I thought of Miss Connie, the TV children's show host back in the 50's. The kindergarten teacher is an excellent image for this. Approachable and feminine are good descriptors.
Kindness, caring and respect. These are the attributes most men want I think. A sense of humor is a bonus.
Amen. Agree, and I would add attractive and of similar intelligence.
That's a given. :-)
I loved the kindergarten story also. It says quite a bit!
Nice interview, Tom. I was unaware of Carrie and her work.
Thanks Jim. It's great to see women taking on the lies and hatred of feminism. May it grow!
Fantastic. Got the book today and started reading immediately. Wonderfully refreshing coming from a woman. 👏🏼👏🏼
Agree that it is good to hear this coming from a woman. REally makes you appreciate Janice who has this and tons more understanding of the complex dynamics men face in today's world.
Very interesting! Thank you. It's encouraging that Carrie is carrying the message to others. Hopefully it will improve many young women and men's lives. This will lead to a happier and healthier society. I will definitely read the book. I hope it offers up suggestions as to how we can combat the radical feminist agenda.
If you were an enemy of the U.S. ie. China, fomenting discord between genders using feminism would be an ideal strategy. Since the Obama/ Biden administrations, Democrats have given he keys to the kingdom to progressives & radical feminists. I hope that one day we will remove the cancer without losing the patient.
Indeed. This message needs to be spread to all. The brainwashing is so deep it may take a while. I think Carrie would say that the family is the antidote and is the way out of this mess. Healthy and loving 2 parent families make everything better.
Feminism is the belief that women are entitled to equal respect and consideration.
Equating the words and actions of certain individual feminists with the idea of Feminism, is like equating the words and actions of certain individual Freedom-lovers, like for example the ones who attack government buildings, with the idea of Freedom.
"equating the words and actions of certain individual feminists with the idea of Feminism....."
The problem with feminism ... let me rephrase that, one of the problems with feminism is that it means all things to all people, especially people who identify as feminists. Even Germaine Greer in a recent interview with two young feminists admitted that she "chooses not to define feminism".
In practice feminism refers to ANY agenda, policy or assertion which is marketed as being 'for women' or 'by women'. When you consider the gynocentric nature of both men and women this makes feminism the most dangerous movement imaginable.
"Feminism is the belief that women are entitled to equal respect and consideration."
We hold men to a much higher intellectual and moral standards than women. This is a form of respect because it makes it much harder for men to make complete asses out of themselves in the long run. Whatever men do or say we hold their feet to the fire, we criticise them, we give them a hard time, we demand evidence and a sound argument, we remain suspicious of their intentions.
Do you believe feminists like Germaine Greer (a woman who has made a fortune selling feminism to several generations of women) should be held to the same intellectual and moral standards that we hold men to?
Should she - at the very least - be required to define what feminism is (and isn't)?
Should women as a whole be required to equal men's intellectual and moral arguments? Or should we continue to give women a 'pussy pass' in this respect?
Is the pussy pass we give to career feminists like Greer an example of female privilege ... or disrespect?
When feminists complain that being criticised, challenged and generally treated equally to men is 'unfair' and 'misogynistic' can we agree that they don't actually want equal treatment after all?
That's fine. But if feminists want to be exempt from such criticism and pushback, they should not enter the public square and attempt to dictate how society at large is organised.
"The problem with freedom ... let me rephrase that, one of the problems with freedom is that it means all things to all people, especially people who identify as freedom-lovers."
You just insist on not getting it. Speaking of intellectual standards.
"We hold men to a much higher intellectual and moral standards than women." Dude. You are defying reality. You tolerate all kinds of stupid shit from men with a laugh and a slap on the back, that when women do it you're all like "sEeeeee wOmEn cAn'T do XYZ". You are much, much more forgiving of men for their moral failures than you are of women.
Face it, you just don't like women.
Equal consideration and respect, dude. It's not hard.
"You just insist on not getting it."
Yes. That's gender equality.
If a man makes an assertion we don't just take his word for it. We demand more than that. We demand more from him. We demand he makes a proper case with facts and logic. Then, after he has made his case, we challenge everything he said, forcing him to make an even more compelling case.
What we don't do is give in to men when they get stroppy. Or cave to men when they get upset. Or accept men's foot stomping and tantrums ("Face it, you just don't like men") as a valid argument.
"You are much, much more forgiving of men for their moral failures than you are of women."
Care to give some examples where society is more forgiving of men's moral failures than women's?
No, you're just being stupid, and in denial about the apt comparison of feminists and freedom-lovers, pretending that the evidence and the answer isn't right in front of you.
Face it, you attack the message because of your unrelated issues with the messengers.
Focus on not being an asshole that woman want nothing to do with, the rest will come naturally.
"you're just being stupid"
If you were debating feminism with a man and he said that to you, would you accept it, apologise and let him win the debate?
Name calling is an indication you are losing the argument.
True! Accurate insults make a great complement to a winning argument though.
If men are held to a higher moral standard, why are they driving the porn industry in viewership?
The percentage of women who watch porn varies according to different studies. A study from the Ballard Brief in 2019 indicates that approximately 40% of women reported having viewed pornography within the past year (Ballard Brief). Meanwhile, other surveys suggest that about one in three women watch porn at least once a week (The Independent). These statistics highlight a significant and growing number of women who engage with pornographic content.
Still dominated by men though. Chastity is foundational in a marriage for both partners. If either the wife or husband are engaging in pornography they are engaging in infidelity. Until pornography is starved from the culture, marriages won't last. I am watching the video of the discussion with you and the two ladies, one the author. I think children need a parent at home, childcare doesn't cut it. Unfortunately, the system is set up to require two paychecks for the mortgage. The author in another time could not have gone to college, so I won't throw the 'baby out with the bathwater' in that I won't denigrate the positives of feminism. But I am very aware of the shortcomings, which have shortchanged girls, and they don't realize it, until they are older, often past childbearing years. It is a complicated issue, simply not black and white.
Dude you're just avoiding the question. Especially in regard to sex, men are held to a much lower standard than women.
Exactly!
Excellent point.
I can understand your thinking that way, I had the same ideas years ago. I looked at the beautiful mannequins in the storefront windows that said "Equality" and "Fairness" and bought it hook line and sinker. Then I ventured into the store and saw things that were not in line with the mannequins, like the lopsided and hateful VAWA and the anti-boy school changes that made schools all about girls and blamed boys for anything negative. Then I ventured into the back room and saw with my own eyes the underlying. motive of these folks who claim to be for equality. The underlying motive is to demolish the American 2 parent family and blame men. They have been extraordinarily successful. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it. I would urge you to check out the posts on this site or on Janice Fiamengo's site and inform yourself with the truth.
Yyeeaaahhh, and none of that has anything to do with the fact that women deserve equal respect and consideration.
If you are trying to blame all of that on Feminism, then you are more interested in shitting on women than you are in opposing DEI and the rest of that Marxist BS. If you could take that misogyny elsewhere, that would be great.
Best to you.
I really hope you are kept well away from boys.
Hope in vain my friend. I am the healthy future of manhood, free of the resentments and frustration that pollute your mind, and free of woke bullshit as well.
Real men work hand in hand with women in relationships of mutual respect and admiration, not seething online insults.