One of the things confusing this whole issue is the definition of violence.
For one thing, it is vastly broader now than it was when I was growing up in the 60s. At that time, 'violence' was generally reserved for acts intended to cause significant pain or fear, injure, or kill. Now a shove or even grabbing someone is considered violent but, back then it probably would have been called rude or aggressive. It may have been considered a provocation to violence, but not violent itself.
The other thing is that sex matters in what's defined as violent. Oddly, since the masculinization of women and girls under feminism, it matters less now than it used to. In my day, women and girls were often actually encouraged to slap boys and men for 'improper' behavior like unwanted advances or rude comments. You could make a meme of 1 second scenes from movies and TV shows in which females slap males that would last half and hour or more if you had access to the video and infinite patience. Good luck finding more than a few shots of men slapping women that weren't characterized as unspeakable villainy. Men slapping women was violent, but women slapping men was not.
Still, even though it might now be considered violent for a woman to slap a man, good luck finding many people who will get very upset about it. In that sense, it's the same as it ever was.
So true that the definition of violence has been diluted. Very good point about the slapping in movies. I remember that clearly and also remember no such slaps from men.
In those days it wasn't quite as an outrageous thing to say. He's really just addressing the simple fact that, where you'd punch a man with your fist for certain behaviors, you'd only slap a woman. Remember, too, that these were the days when young schoolboys would be whipped on the ass with a wooden paddle for minor misbehavior. It happened to me 2 or 3 times and it was NOT an insignificant thing. I never knew it to happen to a girl ever.
My mom would slap my little sister, occasionally, and spank her with a belt just like she would me and my brother. My dad would only ever do it to us and never my sister.
Thank you so much, Derp, for mentioning "the slap." I didn't make a statistical study of its appearance in popular culture, but I did refer to it several times in "Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture." See pp. 31, 36, 73.
It would be a Herculean task to catalogue every incident. It's literally a staple in rom coms, alone, for women and girls to slap, shove, or throw things at men and it's always portrayed as hilarious.
The other thing that goes way beyond cliché in media is girls and women kicking boys and men in the groin.
That's a very useful video, Tom. I'm almost innumerate, so I can't easily figure out the stats. But you've done that for me, and I see no reason to doubt your calculations.
I'm particular glad that you made the effort to contact someone and question his motivation. It's clearly gynocentric. As you say, moreover, it's also anti-intellectual. I can see no point in any scholarly endeavor by those who believe that they know what they're going to find. The whole point of research is to discover something new, surprising or even shocking. Postmodernism and feminism (let alone allied woke ideologies) have thoroughly corrupted research if scholars can admit unashamedly that they make no attempt at all seek truth wherever it leads.
Thanks Paul. i have made it a habit to contact reserachers and ask questions. I have learned quite a bit from that. It was interesting to me that the researcher apparently misled me in saying you needed a statistician to access the data. That was total bull since the DB was open to the public. I think I went back a couple of years ago to check it out and it was no longer availalble. lol
I'm with Paul on this one Tom... thanks for doing that.. good role modelling... enquire, ask questions, ask more questions, follow the doubt, intuition rather than swallow it and then search for what you wanted and BINGO!!
The information is important but I have problems with video presentations; 1) the pace is uncomfortable, 2) it's hard to quote it, 3) demonstrative presentation is irritating.
Thank you Jamie - You are very welcome. So true that the world is being pushed to water down violence. At the same time there is almost no interest in holding anyone accountable for relational aggression. Go figure.
One of the things confusing this whole issue is the definition of violence.
For one thing, it is vastly broader now than it was when I was growing up in the 60s. At that time, 'violence' was generally reserved for acts intended to cause significant pain or fear, injure, or kill. Now a shove or even grabbing someone is considered violent but, back then it probably would have been called rude or aggressive. It may have been considered a provocation to violence, but not violent itself.
The other thing is that sex matters in what's defined as violent. Oddly, since the masculinization of women and girls under feminism, it matters less now than it used to. In my day, women and girls were often actually encouraged to slap boys and men for 'improper' behavior like unwanted advances or rude comments. You could make a meme of 1 second scenes from movies and TV shows in which females slap males that would last half and hour or more if you had access to the video and infinite patience. Good luck finding more than a few shots of men slapping women that weren't characterized as unspeakable villainy. Men slapping women was violent, but women slapping men was not.
Still, even though it might now be considered violent for a woman to slap a man, good luck finding many people who will get very upset about it. In that sense, it's the same as it ever was.
So true that the definition of violence has been diluted. Very good point about the slapping in movies. I remember that clearly and also remember no such slaps from men.
Here's a famous one but, again, a dastardly, villainous act.
https://youtu.be/8tdZ3d5PukI?si=tCRXYmyf26f7FscT
This one came up next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA
Sean Connery discusses women slapping
I would never have known that about Sean Connery - James Bond 007....
**Not that I'm advocating slapping anyone....
In those days it wasn't quite as an outrageous thing to say. He's really just addressing the simple fact that, where you'd punch a man with your fist for certain behaviors, you'd only slap a woman. Remember, too, that these were the days when young schoolboys would be whipped on the ass with a wooden paddle for minor misbehavior. It happened to me 2 or 3 times and it was NOT an insignificant thing. I never knew it to happen to a girl ever.
My mom would slap my little sister, occasionally, and spank her with a belt just like she would me and my brother. My dad would only ever do it to us and never my sister.
Thank you so much, Derp, for mentioning "the slap." I didn't make a statistical study of its appearance in popular culture, but I did refer to it several times in "Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture." See pp. 31, 36, 73.
It would be a Herculean task to catalogue every incident. It's literally a staple in rom coms, alone, for women and girls to slap, shove, or throw things at men and it's always portrayed as hilarious.
The other thing that goes way beyond cliché in media is girls and women kicking boys and men in the groin.
thanks for this: Men slapping women was violent, but women slapping men was not.
I needed to read that sentence as it woke me up to the lingering Blue Pill within me...
This is why I like comments.. the sharing.. the words and ideas that make me/us think.. "gee, I never thought of it like that"..
Thanks...
That's a very useful video, Tom. I'm almost innumerate, so I can't easily figure out the stats. But you've done that for me, and I see no reason to doubt your calculations.
I'm particular glad that you made the effort to contact someone and question his motivation. It's clearly gynocentric. As you say, moreover, it's also anti-intellectual. I can see no point in any scholarly endeavor by those who believe that they know what they're going to find. The whole point of research is to discover something new, surprising or even shocking. Postmodernism and feminism (let alone allied woke ideologies) have thoroughly corrupted research if scholars can admit unashamedly that they make no attempt at all seek truth wherever it leads.
Thanks Paul. i have made it a habit to contact reserachers and ask questions. I have learned quite a bit from that. It was interesting to me that the researcher apparently misled me in saying you needed a statistician to access the data. That was total bull since the DB was open to the public. I think I went back a couple of years ago to check it out and it was no longer availalble. lol
I'm with Paul on this one Tom... thanks for doing that.. good role modelling... enquire, ask questions, ask more questions, follow the doubt, intuition rather than swallow it and then search for what you wanted and BINGO!!
Excellent analysis thank you.
Thank you Lea. Really appreciated. The text version that just went up has a bit more detail.
The information is important but I have problems with video presentations; 1) the pace is uncomfortable, 2) it's hard to quote it, 3) demonstrative presentation is irritating.
Have I got a solution for you! I will be posting the text version of this later today.
Perfect!
Thank you Jamie - You are very welcome. So true that the world is being pushed to water down violence. At the same time there is almost no interest in holding anyone accountable for relational aggression. Go figure.
Yes. It is interesting this lack of Justice from the authorities.. proper justice and process is what I'm thinking of as I type..