Very well said...or perhaps even understated! One important stat to consider is the question of child custody and support after a divorce. The courts very much favor giving custody to women giving the man custody only when the mother is so demonstrably unfit that they have no choice. This means men are far more likely to be placed in the position of paying child support, support that is often excessive and not used for the benefit of the children but misused by the woman. Feminists complain that men fail to pay the full support required some 50% of the time. This is bad for the children of course, though the feminists seem to view it as an attack on the woman. What they don't talk about is that in the reverse situation where the mother should be providing support, fully 95% of women FAIL to do so. Clearly child support provision is a problem.. but women are hardly the innocent party in the situation. Indeed, if courts were more fair in how custody was determined, the refusal of women to pay support would make the problem far worse for children because of the conduct of women!
Alas, not on hand at the moment but I remember reading it some years ago. It should be noted that my own half sister is an example of the "victim" mother who refuses to pay support for her own children. She projects herself as a victim of sexism and racism...but fails to fulfill even the most basic obligations of a parent. Her ex-husband, by contract, has been bread winner and parent to 2 delightful kids who, at this point, aren't even interested in speaking with their mother.
"Lie" #1: There are still 57% more physical assaults on women than on men. Plus, there are 61.131 more women raped than men. 200k women versus only three men. So how exactly are men not "the problem"?
"Lie" #2: If those surveys failed to ask about the masculine paid work, then where does the 25% come from? Since women do 75% of unpaid work, it follows the rest of unpaid work is done by men. If that 25% does not consist of plumbing or cleaning gutters as you imply, then what is it?
"Lie" #3: US Dept. Labor saying women work 2.6h/day vs. 2.0 hours. Why would you "apply that rate to this chart" since the chart clearly states it's an OECD average? OECD has dozens of countries, why would you want to skew the chart by applying only the US statistic?
I'll watch the rest of the video but given the terrible fallacies you've made so far, it's a waste of my time to further reply.
Got some sources to back some of this up? More assaults on women? lol. What assault are you talking about?
More women raped? Yes, they didn't even recognize the rape of men until recently and men are highly unlikely to report this for a wide variety of reasons.
They failed to ask men about their unpaid work. Things that men typically do like yardwork, fixing cars, get up on ladder, clean the gutters etc.
My take is that the oecd fudged their numbers. Compare them with the numbers from the Dept of Labor and they are off by quite a bit. No surprise, they are a feminist driven org that does this sort of thing routinely.
it's interesting hey and not that I know really...
but why are we so focussed on 'unpaid' work?
it is like that a person does not have real value unless everything is statistical or measured.
Why are these organisations and Governments interfering in peoples daily lives like Secret Police for the communists or socialists... to control!!
My partner does a lot of unpaid work and enjoys it! Does that mean he should stop?
One recent thing he did was to use his 'academic title' to push an NGO that was not doing its job properly... is this counted by these people.
I don't know what else to say about all this. not that you have asked me to say anything but where do these Citizen Funded organisations get off on lying and sticking their noses into our private home business... unpaid work...
How many women have destroyed their relationships with all this and end up with children and being single and doing more work???
Anyway, I slowly wake up to this ???? what ??? marxist / leftist / communist / control of others.. by others who think they are doing good.. I wonder if this is why Ayn Rand dislike Altruism so much
"Got some sources to back some of this up?" - What I wrote under "Lie 1" and "3" are backed by the same source the video quoted. In "Lie 2" I didn't make any claims so there's nothing to back up.
"More assaults on women? lol. What assault are you talking about?" Physical assault. The one the video is talking about. Did you at last watch it? I evens specified "physical", I wrote "There are still 57% more physical assaults on women than on men.".
"men are highly unlikely to report this for a wide variety of reasons" Are you honestly suggesting that the number of men raped by women is even remotely comparable to those of women raped by men?
"They failed to ask men about their unpaid work." How do you know they did? What household chores done by men fit into the 25% that the study does recognize?
"My take is that the oecd fudged their numbers." Your take is nothing but a baseless accusation.
"Compare them with the numbers from the Dept of Labor and they are off by quite a bit." Again, the study was done on dozens of countries, not just the US. The US is not the rest of the world.
Check the OECD link and you can see the list includes countries with higher gender inequality than the US, such as Brazil, Chile, Hungary, and Turkey.
Perhaps offering specifics about what you saw? where does it show that women are 57% more assaults? Keep in mind the point of the video was that the OECD is fudging their data and what you see as "facts" from them are likely, um, not.
Are you that lazy you didn't even bother to watch the beginning of the video?
Here's a screenshot from the above video (at 3' 4") where the author put a big red arrow next to the row titled "Physical assault": https://snipboard.io/oFlz7i.jpg
Do the math, it's really easy:
1309k - 834k = 475k
475k / 834 k = 0.569544
0.569544 x 100 = 56.9544%, rounded to 57%
57% more women compared to men were phisically assaulted
If the OECD is fudging their data I require proof.
What you said is not correct. The graphic shows that 57% of the victims of dv were female and 43% were male. You said that there were 57% MORE assaults on women than on men. That is something different.
You seem to be missing the point of the video which was that the feminists only told a part of the story, the part that bolstered their narrative.
Ooops. My mistake. Should be 39% males and 61% females and yes, that may work out to be X% more women than men. That is not the point. The point is that the feminists totally omitted any mentino of any male victims. Period. Just as they have ignored the pain of men for decades.
The graphic is actually a table and it doesn't show percentages, you have to compute them. The % of women victims of personal assault by the opposite sex is actually 61%, not 57%.
My math is correct. Let me try to make it easier. There are roughly 800k men assaulted and roughly 1200k women assaulted. 57% x 800k men = 456k. Add 800k + 456k and you get roughly the # off assaulted women. So there 57% more women than men.
Feminists talk about female-specific issues, that's the whole point. And in this case, all things considered, women have it worse. This doesn't deny that men don't have any issues, such as getting child custody, things that have been the focus of men's rights groups since the 70s.
If I were to make an NGO to help kids in Yemen, that doesn't mean my efforts are immoral because I don't talk about the adults to "tell the whole story". It's just my choice to focus on a vulnerable group of people.
This was recorded in 2021, are they still lying?
I think it has actually gotten worse....
Very well said...or perhaps even understated! One important stat to consider is the question of child custody and support after a divorce. The courts very much favor giving custody to women giving the man custody only when the mother is so demonstrably unfit that they have no choice. This means men are far more likely to be placed in the position of paying child support, support that is often excessive and not used for the benefit of the children but misused by the woman. Feminists complain that men fail to pay the full support required some 50% of the time. This is bad for the children of course, though the feminists seem to view it as an attack on the woman. What they don't talk about is that in the reverse situation where the mother should be providing support, fully 95% of women FAIL to do so. Clearly child support provision is a problem.. but women are hardly the innocent party in the situation. Indeed, if courts were more fair in how custody was determined, the refusal of women to pay support would make the problem far worse for children because of the conduct of women!
Totally agree with you. Do you have a link for the 95% stat you quoted. I would love to see that one!
Alas, not on hand at the moment but I remember reading it some years ago. It should be noted that my own half sister is an example of the "victim" mother who refuses to pay support for her own children. She projects herself as a victim of sexism and racism...but fails to fulfill even the most basic obligations of a parent. Her ex-husband, by contract, has been bread winner and parent to 2 delightful kids who, at this point, aren't even interested in speaking with their mother.
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December 14th, 2023, Thursday Morning, Index Number 2109:
"Lie" #1: There are still 57% more physical assaults on women than on men. Plus, there are 61.131 more women raped than men. 200k women versus only three men. So how exactly are men not "the problem"?
"Lie" #2: If those surveys failed to ask about the masculine paid work, then where does the 25% come from? Since women do 75% of unpaid work, it follows the rest of unpaid work is done by men. If that 25% does not consist of plumbing or cleaning gutters as you imply, then what is it?
"Lie" #3: US Dept. Labor saying women work 2.6h/day vs. 2.0 hours. Why would you "apply that rate to this chart" since the chart clearly states it's an OECD average? OECD has dozens of countries, why would you want to skew the chart by applying only the US statistic?
I'll watch the rest of the video but given the terrible fallacies you've made so far, it's a waste of my time to further reply.
Got some sources to back some of this up? More assaults on women? lol. What assault are you talking about?
More women raped? Yes, they didn't even recognize the rape of men until recently and men are highly unlikely to report this for a wide variety of reasons.
They failed to ask men about their unpaid work. Things that men typically do like yardwork, fixing cars, get up on ladder, clean the gutters etc.
My take is that the oecd fudged their numbers. Compare them with the numbers from the Dept of Labor and they are off by quite a bit. No surprise, they are a feminist driven org that does this sort of thing routinely.
it's interesting hey and not that I know really...
but why are we so focussed on 'unpaid' work?
it is like that a person does not have real value unless everything is statistical or measured.
Why are these organisations and Governments interfering in peoples daily lives like Secret Police for the communists or socialists... to control!!
My partner does a lot of unpaid work and enjoys it! Does that mean he should stop?
One recent thing he did was to use his 'academic title' to push an NGO that was not doing its job properly... is this counted by these people.
I don't know what else to say about all this. not that you have asked me to say anything but where do these Citizen Funded organisations get off on lying and sticking their noses into our private home business... unpaid work...
How many women have destroyed their relationships with all this and end up with children and being single and doing more work???
Anyway, I slowly wake up to this ???? what ??? marxist / leftist / communist / control of others.. by others who think they are doing good.. I wonder if this is why Ayn Rand dislike Altruism so much
"Got some sources to back some of this up?" - What I wrote under "Lie 1" and "3" are backed by the same source the video quoted. In "Lie 2" I didn't make any claims so there's nothing to back up.
"More assaults on women? lol. What assault are you talking about?" Physical assault. The one the video is talking about. Did you at last watch it? I evens specified "physical", I wrote "There are still 57% more physical assaults on women than on men.".
"men are highly unlikely to report this for a wide variety of reasons" Are you honestly suggesting that the number of men raped by women is even remotely comparable to those of women raped by men?
"They failed to ask men about their unpaid work." How do you know they did? What household chores done by men fit into the 25% that the study does recognize?
"My take is that the oecd fudged their numbers." Your take is nothing but a baseless accusation.
"Compare them with the numbers from the Dept of Labor and they are off by quite a bit." Again, the study was done on dozens of countries, not just the US. The US is not the rest of the world.
Check the OECD link and you can see the list includes countries with higher gender inequality than the US, such as Brazil, Chile, Hungary, and Turkey.
Perhaps offering specifics about what you saw? where does it show that women are 57% more assaults? Keep in mind the point of the video was that the OECD is fudging their data and what you see as "facts" from them are likely, um, not.
Are you that lazy you didn't even bother to watch the beginning of the video?
Here's a screenshot from the above video (at 3' 4") where the author put a big red arrow next to the row titled "Physical assault": https://snipboard.io/oFlz7i.jpg
Do the math, it's really easy:
1309k - 834k = 475k
475k / 834 k = 0.569544
0.569544 x 100 = 56.9544%, rounded to 57%
57% more women compared to men were phisically assaulted
If the OECD is fudging their data I require proof.
What you said is not correct. The graphic shows that 57% of the victims of dv were female and 43% were male. You said that there were 57% MORE assaults on women than on men. That is something different.
You seem to be missing the point of the video which was that the feminists only told a part of the story, the part that bolstered their narrative.
Ooops. My mistake. Should be 39% males and 61% females and yes, that may work out to be X% more women than men. That is not the point. The point is that the feminists totally omitted any mentino of any male victims. Period. Just as they have ignored the pain of men for decades.
The graphic is actually a table and it doesn't show percentages, you have to compute them. The % of women victims of personal assault by the opposite sex is actually 61%, not 57%.
My math is correct. Let me try to make it easier. There are roughly 800k men assaulted and roughly 1200k women assaulted. 57% x 800k men = 456k. Add 800k + 456k and you get roughly the # off assaulted women. So there 57% more women than men.
Feminists talk about female-specific issues, that's the whole point. And in this case, all things considered, women have it worse. This doesn't deny that men don't have any issues, such as getting child custody, things that have been the focus of men's rights groups since the 70s.
If I were to make an NGO to help kids in Yemen, that doesn't mean my efforts are immoral because I don't talk about the adults to "tell the whole story". It's just my choice to focus on a vulnerable group of people.