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Tony Critiques Feminism's avatar

You might be interested in "The seven-stage hate model : the psychopathology of hate groups ". It's largely based on skinheads & I doubt how well it generalises but it is fairly widely quoted:

https://tandis.odihr.pl/handle/20.500.12389/20846

Tom Golden's avatar

Thanks for this.

Billy Brown's avatar

I shared this to Facebook and it was removed

Tom Golden's avatar

Hope I didn't get you in trouble. Not surprised though, just the title was probably enough.

Derpetology101's avatar

Hate can be appropriate, of course, and we ignore hateful feelings at our peril. Nevertheless hate, like pain, is a feeling that sane people experience as relatively intolerable and seek to resolve. To cultivate hate, as feminists do, is analogous to masochism. It's a perversion of healthy aggression against the insufferable.

Tom Golden's avatar

Cultivate hate. Well said. That sums it up.

PAUL NATHANSON's avatar

I've copied the transcript of that superlative summary of the problem. Everything else is commentary on this concise text. Of great importance is your statement about the importance of what people actually do, not what they (might) think or feel.

I must admit that I had never heard of David Byron. Googling him, I found only a few comments on the Good Men Project's website. But if he classified feminist groups with hate groups, then he might have read the four books on misandry that I wrote with Katherine K. Young. In the first volume, "Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture" (2001), we included one chapter that systematically (but not so concisely) compared feminist ideology with both Nazi ideology and Communist ideology according to eight characteristic features of all political ideologies.

I'd make only one relatively minor correction. This "Southern town" existed until well into the 1960s. The Civil Rights Movement, on the other hand, began in the 1950s or even earlier.

Tom Golden's avatar

David Byron was not a famous sort. I ran into him on forums (1995-2005 or so) where there were both feminists and anti-feminists. He was by far the best at putting them in their place and did it with zeal and little restraint. I admired his direct and somewhat ruthless approach. It took me a while to realize the wisdom in his ways. He taught me that being too nice to feminists is a fools errand. He may have very will read the Spreading Misandry book, he was very well read and a very smart fellow. I wish I could talk to him today and hear his perceptions of things.

I also wish we could excerpt from the fantastic series you and Katherine wrote. Those books were packed with information and insight. Entire college classes would have been taught for each one. Hell, maybe two classes for each one, they are packed.

Boris A. Doyle's avatar

Can anyone show me feminists who don't blame men for all their imaginary gripes?

Tom Golden's avatar

Not to be found....

Eric Lewis's avatar

If the S.C.U.M. MANIFESTO were written with the genders reversed, the resultant hoopla would have rivaled the Manson Trial.