I once read an article about a 5 year study carried out by different departments in northern Ireland to find out why boys are failing their schooling, it was discovered that in the 70s a feminist started attacking boys education although the genders were equal at that time, and demanding girls should be put first, other feminists joined in the attack and that was the exact time boys started to fail. Feminists use tactics against boys, i.e undermarking boys results, over marking girls results, keeping break times too short so that boys don't have enough time to expend their energy which causes them difficulty concentrating in class, making boys read books that are only interesting to girls, i recently read that it was discovered that boys get better results when the teacher doesn't know the gender they are marking but nothing is done about it due to feminist bullying. Because Feminism is not about equality, they only want equality where it suits them which is exactly the same as favouritism. They are just an anti male hate movement. damaging boys education, skewing divorce courts against men, demanding equal pay but leaving all the dangerous work to men,, women have become spoiled, un accountable , blameless , demanding, bullying, sexist hypocrites, Misandry and anti male discrimination is what they want. Feminism is evil.
Firstly, stereotypes are not harmful to anyone who fosters a little self confidence and fortitude. In fact, they often inform us of social and cultural truths through the means of humour and implicit meaning that past generations were much better at navigating. They’re often based on wisdom that may well outline negative traits about those concerned, but ultimately speak to natural tendencies that we are a long way off of evolving out of.
Moreover, this wave of using the most negative male stereotypes as norms for the whole, are part of a wider move to demonise and medicate men out of their masculine selves in order to create a more feminine and easily controlled male species. Men are still, and will forever be, the biggest threat to anyone looking to control our society, as when all is said and done, we will still be the ones who wield the physical strength and sacrificial will to wrestle the power out of the hands of those who tyrannise the whole.
As has been the case since time began, our society and modernity itself will come crashing down around us one day. And when the lights go out and the aircon is long gone, the feminists and the Karens in HR will resume the roles they were trying to deny whether they like it or not. Because we’re all still just animals at the core. And their crusade can only end in the destruction of our species. I don’t relish the thought of it any more than they do, but at least we might have the chance to live as intended and lean into each other as we should once again.
I'd add that not all stereotypes are bad. Some are good. What do the bad and good ones have in common? Two things: (a) all rely on opportunistic generalizations and (b) all reinforce the dualistic worldview ("us" versus "them") of an ideology. Feminists stereotype boys and men as innately depraved oppressors, sure. Implicitly (and often explicitly), however, they also stereotype girls and women as the innately good and innocent victims of their oppressors. It's not only a double standard that favors one sex (females) but also a double whammy that cripples the other sex (males). So we must argue not only against bad stereotypes but also against good ones.
In my research with Katherine Young, we avoided all variants of "stereotype." Instead, we suggested variants of stereoscopic vision--that is, seeing through our two eyes from slightly different positions, the result being three-dimensional vision (a great evolutionary advance for species with both eyes pointing forward).
Also, I suspect that we need more research on the striking resemblance of either "male feminism" or "toxic masculinity" as variants of two much better known phenomena: "Uncle Tomism" and "Jewish anti-Semitism" (or "Jewish self-hatred"). It should come as no surprise to anyone that absorbing a negative identity, either personally or collectively, can have profoundly destructive and/or self-destructive consequences.
Many many years ago in 1986 I was a Senior at Northwestern University. I was an English major so my work study was in the English Department. That year a new professor was starting. She was an English professor Feminist Theory. If you’ve ever seen any buildings from NU then you have probably seen University Hall. Yellow stone with spires. One of the earliest buildings on campus and it houses the English Dept. Four floors on an English basement below. Professor Froula was assigned a 4th floor office and this building had no elevator. She had some reasonably heavy boxes that needed to get up to her office. She popped in the main office and asked me, the only male, to help her with the boxes. After hauling them up four flights, I turned to her and asked, “So is this what’s known as sexual division of labor?” I said it to just tease her, she got all flustered (not angry or defensive). It was a classic moment.
What role do men have in fighting negative male stereotypes? Women had to prove that they weren’t weak and “hysterical” by fighting their way into traditionally male spaces, where they were unwelcome, and performing in them at a high level. It took generations. Women worked for 100 years just to vote in Switzerland and didn’t secure that right until 1971. Most men either didn’t help women or actively stood in their way. Do we now also have to do men’s work? All of this ignorance of history, conflating of healthy and toxic masculinity, and whining certainly plays into negative male stereotypes. If my teenage son ever tried to play the victim like this, he would get a history lesson and it would never be tolerated. At the same time, I can have empathy for his struggles and help him to address them in a healthy, mature way.
'Women had to prove that they weren’t weak, hysterical and emotionally volatile by fighting their way into traditionally male spaces and performing in them at a high level'
You ARE weak, hysterical and emotionally volatile, missy.
And you didn't 'fight' your way into male spaces, you were LEGALLY ENTITLED by a tyrannical feminist culture into those male spaces. You were chauffeured by gelded men into those positions, and weak daughter-daddies. Otherwise, you and your sistren would have FAILED on your own.
That's a relatively tepid step in the right direction. We're damned if we do, damned if we don't fight back. If we fight back, it's we told you so; you're proving the point that you're aggressive and mean. If we don't fight back, it's we must be right or you would fight back. Women rebelled in a way that men are helpless to respond.
I understand that it's difficult to respond at all, because men, on average, have distinct advantages, being naturally competitive and having a long history of monopolizing positions of authority. Competition easily conflates to aggression, for men and women equally. And it's human nature to defend advantage. It is for us, and it is for you, now that you have fought you way into positions we to some extent see as ours by right.
Most of us (males) didn't get where we were by deliberate choice, nor nefariously. For most of us it was just the way things were. Some without doubt did nefarious things to get and hold positions of authority, and still do. But even the 'divine right of kings' was probably not an invention of the kingly class. George Washington was said to be very reluctant to become president because he (rightly, as it turned out) feared being made a king. It is recorded that David did not consider himself deserving of being king, but Samuel was sure that God wanted him to be king, and the people demanded to have a king, shouting in unison, "Saul killed his thousands, but David his tens of thousands." And even to this day, million around the world cheered Elizabeth when she was crowned Queen of England, and more recently, Charles when he was crowned King. Pope Leo XIV was cheered by billions when he was selected Pope by Catholics and Protestants alike.
And
It's likely that is how it's always been. People readily take a knee to authorities. Before the first woman demanded the vote, most women probably never thought about not being allowed to vote. The same went for blacks before they had the vote. Even now, with all the drama of history behind us, it is estimated that in 2024 a hundred and fifty million eligible voters didn't vote, among whom are many women and blacks--and for nearly that many reasons or excuses.
It's long been time for honest discussion, even debates, about who (or whether) should be in authority in any capacity. Lord Acton wrote of the dangers of power a century and a half ago. And people have demanded that somebody be in charge and complained about those in power for more years that written records existed. Adam and Eve were said to have been tempted by the claim, "Did God really say..." Surely, we owe it to ourselves to honestly converse with each other about whether, when, and who should be responsible for decisions. And there are not always disagreements to be overcome, especially between folks who care very deeply about being and doing together.
Women and black people were aware they had no voice and no power. It was this awareness that resulted in the suffrage movement. Do you really think people don’t notice that they have no meaningful say in the direction of their own lives?
That doesn't tell us a thing about "so many violent men" I am guessing that the number of pregnant women who die is fairly low don't ya think? Give us some stats that show men are violent.
you are here dishing out all sorts of things but never actually made a post yourself?
Are you for women's rights or not?
Secondly, given that you include 'women' and 'black people' in the one sentence, (I've heard that Europe had a problem getting black slaves in our history because the Black People selling 'other black people' were making trouble for the europeans!!)
However, I wish to remind you that despite women fighting for the right to vote in Switzerland that it was not always that Men could vote also and that there were conditions for men to vote, therefore it is always good to watch ALL of Janice Fiamengo's videos here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGFFi6pRCnCcL5RUhTkIClr-g43wCDf1P
But last but not least.. a few years ago I remember how all those poor repressed women were lined up outside the Louis Vuitton shop in Switzerland, in the minus temperatures ready to pay a couple of thousand Swiss francs for a handbag and all because there were so repressed by Men and they were thinking of how the handbags were made in the sweat shops of China/Asia and possibly by 'black people' but obviously this didn't deter them from wanting to prove how un-repressed they were now a days and that by buying these expensive handbags would show how deeply they cared for Women's Rights!!
Interesting enough the footpaths outside of the shop, that these women stood on in pure luxury with their winter coats on, was built by Men. I think the only women around were those that instructed people were to walk!! I don't remember seeing women driving the diggers, trucks, hauling the stones that were laid, etc., etc., but obviously women fought for 100 years in Switzerland (and so they should have) in order to continue so that they had equal jobs with men in ALL positions thought out the economy.
Why would I (or you, for that matter) go to a retired, anti feminist English professor on You Tube for a history lesson? There are plenty of world renowned, tenured, published history professors and historians. There are also many world renowned sociologists who have conducted ground breaking research — the findings of which have been peer reviewed and published — in the field of gender studies. Are you equally interested in their work, findings and conclusions? Can you name any of them?
You realize you keep referencing the work of a group that is itself an extremist organization. The Southern Poverty Law Center is an anti-Christian hate group. Their mission is to undermine traditional values (Christian) at every opportunity. They support 4th wave feminism to undermine the traditional family (monogomous heterosexual man + monogamous heterosexual women). Undermining men and their rights is part of their strategy to achieve this end. The work of this organization cannot be taken seriously.
Thank you. I couldn't even be bothered reading past the first two sentences...
"I have a mental illness that makes me think that people will change their minds if I present the correct arguments with the appropriate facts and data."
Heads I win, tails you lose!
I once read an article about a 5 year study carried out by different departments in northern Ireland to find out why boys are failing their schooling, it was discovered that in the 70s a feminist started attacking boys education although the genders were equal at that time, and demanding girls should be put first, other feminists joined in the attack and that was the exact time boys started to fail. Feminists use tactics against boys, i.e undermarking boys results, over marking girls results, keeping break times too short so that boys don't have enough time to expend their energy which causes them difficulty concentrating in class, making boys read books that are only interesting to girls, i recently read that it was discovered that boys get better results when the teacher doesn't know the gender they are marking but nothing is done about it due to feminist bullying. Because Feminism is not about equality, they only want equality where it suits them which is exactly the same as favouritism. They are just an anti male hate movement. damaging boys education, skewing divorce courts against men, demanding equal pay but leaving all the dangerous work to men,, women have become spoiled, un accountable , blameless , demanding, bullying, sexist hypocrites, Misandry and anti male discrimination is what they want. Feminism is evil.
Firstly, stereotypes are not harmful to anyone who fosters a little self confidence and fortitude. In fact, they often inform us of social and cultural truths through the means of humour and implicit meaning that past generations were much better at navigating. They’re often based on wisdom that may well outline negative traits about those concerned, but ultimately speak to natural tendencies that we are a long way off of evolving out of.
Moreover, this wave of using the most negative male stereotypes as norms for the whole, are part of a wider move to demonise and medicate men out of their masculine selves in order to create a more feminine and easily controlled male species. Men are still, and will forever be, the biggest threat to anyone looking to control our society, as when all is said and done, we will still be the ones who wield the physical strength and sacrificial will to wrestle the power out of the hands of those who tyrannise the whole.
As has been the case since time began, our society and modernity itself will come crashing down around us one day. And when the lights go out and the aircon is long gone, the feminists and the Karens in HR will resume the roles they were trying to deny whether they like it or not. Because we’re all still just animals at the core. And their crusade can only end in the destruction of our species. I don’t relish the thought of it any more than they do, but at least we might have the chance to live as intended and lean into each other as we should once again.
I'd add that not all stereotypes are bad. Some are good. What do the bad and good ones have in common? Two things: (a) all rely on opportunistic generalizations and (b) all reinforce the dualistic worldview ("us" versus "them") of an ideology. Feminists stereotype boys and men as innately depraved oppressors, sure. Implicitly (and often explicitly), however, they also stereotype girls and women as the innately good and innocent victims of their oppressors. It's not only a double standard that favors one sex (females) but also a double whammy that cripples the other sex (males). So we must argue not only against bad stereotypes but also against good ones.
In my research with Katherine Young, we avoided all variants of "stereotype." Instead, we suggested variants of stereoscopic vision--that is, seeing through our two eyes from slightly different positions, the result being three-dimensional vision (a great evolutionary advance for species with both eyes pointing forward).
Also, I suspect that we need more research on the striking resemblance of either "male feminism" or "toxic masculinity" as variants of two much better known phenomena: "Uncle Tomism" and "Jewish anti-Semitism" (or "Jewish self-hatred"). It should come as no surprise to anyone that absorbing a negative identity, either personally or collectively, can have profoundly destructive and/or self-destructive consequences.
Love it Paul! Male feminists are Uncle Toms!
Many many years ago in 1986 I was a Senior at Northwestern University. I was an English major so my work study was in the English Department. That year a new professor was starting. She was an English professor Feminist Theory. If you’ve ever seen any buildings from NU then you have probably seen University Hall. Yellow stone with spires. One of the earliest buildings on campus and it houses the English Dept. Four floors on an English basement below. Professor Froula was assigned a 4th floor office and this building had no elevator. She had some reasonably heavy boxes that needed to get up to her office. She popped in the main office and asked me, the only male, to help her with the boxes. After hauling them up four flights, I turned to her and asked, “So is this what’s known as sexual division of labor?” I said it to just tease her, she got all flustered (not angry or defensive). It was a classic moment.
What role do men have in fighting negative male stereotypes? Women had to prove that they weren’t weak and “hysterical” by fighting their way into traditionally male spaces, where they were unwelcome, and performing in them at a high level. It took generations. Women worked for 100 years just to vote in Switzerland and didn’t secure that right until 1971. Most men either didn’t help women or actively stood in their way. Do we now also have to do men’s work? All of this ignorance of history, conflating of healthy and toxic masculinity, and whining certainly plays into negative male stereotypes. If my teenage son ever tried to play the victim like this, he would get a history lesson and it would never be tolerated. At the same time, I can have empathy for his struggles and help him to address them in a healthy, mature way.
'Women had to prove that they weren’t weak, hysterical and emotionally volatile by fighting their way into traditionally male spaces and performing in them at a high level'
You ARE weak, hysterical and emotionally volatile, missy.
And you didn't 'fight' your way into male spaces, you were LEGALLY ENTITLED by a tyrannical feminist culture into those male spaces. You were chauffeured by gelded men into those positions, and weak daughter-daddies. Otherwise, you and your sistren would have FAILED on your own.
'Fighting their way'. LOL
😂
What a rude arrogant reply to someone!!
And you say you stick up for women!!
A cheap shot using an emoji...
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGFFi6pRCnCcL5RUhTkIClr-g43wCDf1P
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGFFi6pRCnCdQTe1iG3Tw4Td9jvhY2w74
That's a relatively tepid step in the right direction. We're damned if we do, damned if we don't fight back. If we fight back, it's we told you so; you're proving the point that you're aggressive and mean. If we don't fight back, it's we must be right or you would fight back. Women rebelled in a way that men are helpless to respond.
I understand that it's difficult to respond at all, because men, on average, have distinct advantages, being naturally competitive and having a long history of monopolizing positions of authority. Competition easily conflates to aggression, for men and women equally. And it's human nature to defend advantage. It is for us, and it is for you, now that you have fought you way into positions we to some extent see as ours by right.
Most of us (males) didn't get where we were by deliberate choice, nor nefariously. For most of us it was just the way things were. Some without doubt did nefarious things to get and hold positions of authority, and still do. But even the 'divine right of kings' was probably not an invention of the kingly class. George Washington was said to be very reluctant to become president because he (rightly, as it turned out) feared being made a king. It is recorded that David did not consider himself deserving of being king, but Samuel was sure that God wanted him to be king, and the people demanded to have a king, shouting in unison, "Saul killed his thousands, but David his tens of thousands." And even to this day, million around the world cheered Elizabeth when she was crowned Queen of England, and more recently, Charles when he was crowned King. Pope Leo XIV was cheered by billions when he was selected Pope by Catholics and Protestants alike.
And
It's likely that is how it's always been. People readily take a knee to authorities. Before the first woman demanded the vote, most women probably never thought about not being allowed to vote. The same went for blacks before they had the vote. Even now, with all the drama of history behind us, it is estimated that in 2024 a hundred and fifty million eligible voters didn't vote, among whom are many women and blacks--and for nearly that many reasons or excuses.
It's long been time for honest discussion, even debates, about who (or whether) should be in authority in any capacity. Lord Acton wrote of the dangers of power a century and a half ago. And people have demanded that somebody be in charge and complained about those in power for more years that written records existed. Adam and Eve were said to have been tempted by the claim, "Did God really say..." Surely, we owe it to ourselves to honestly converse with each other about whether, when, and who should be responsible for decisions. And there are not always disagreements to be overcome, especially between folks who care very deeply about being and doing together.
Women and black people were aware they had no voice and no power. It was this awareness that resulted in the suffrage movement. Do you really think people don’t notice that they have no meaningful say in the direction of their own lives?
And how many men are "so violent"? Can you back up that statement?
The number one cause of death for pregnant women in America is murder, according to the Harvard School of Public Health.
That doesn't tell us a thing about "so many violent men" I am guessing that the number of pregnant women who die is fairly low don't ya think? Give us some stats that show men are violent.
Tom, are you part of the Men’s Rights movement?
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/mens-rights-activists/
https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/homicide-leading-cause-of-death-for-pregnant-women-in-u-s/
https://data.unwomen.org/global-database-on-violence-against-women
To most people that is a shocking fact
That highly emotive statement about murder being the number one cause of death of pregnant women in America, is not true.
As health professional I have researched this and found it not to be factually true. It is misinformation.
Harvard included pregnant and postpartum women. Where is the evidence that HSPH was wrong?
If I was to use your logic I'd say the following:
you are here dishing out all sorts of things but never actually made a post yourself?
Are you for women's rights or not?
Secondly, given that you include 'women' and 'black people' in the one sentence, (I've heard that Europe had a problem getting black slaves in our history because the Black People selling 'other black people' were making trouble for the europeans!!)
However, I wish to remind you that despite women fighting for the right to vote in Switzerland that it was not always that Men could vote also and that there were conditions for men to vote, therefore it is always good to watch ALL of Janice Fiamengo's videos here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGFFi6pRCnCcL5RUhTkIClr-g43wCDf1P
and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGFFi6pRCnCdQTe1iG3Tw4Td9jvhY2w74
if one really wants a history lesson.
But last but not least.. a few years ago I remember how all those poor repressed women were lined up outside the Louis Vuitton shop in Switzerland, in the minus temperatures ready to pay a couple of thousand Swiss francs for a handbag and all because there were so repressed by Men and they were thinking of how the handbags were made in the sweat shops of China/Asia and possibly by 'black people' but obviously this didn't deter them from wanting to prove how un-repressed they were now a days and that by buying these expensive handbags would show how deeply they cared for Women's Rights!!
Interesting enough the footpaths outside of the shop, that these women stood on in pure luxury with their winter coats on, was built by Men. I think the only women around were those that instructed people were to walk!! I don't remember seeing women driving the diggers, trucks, hauling the stones that were laid, etc., etc., but obviously women fought for 100 years in Switzerland (and so they should have) in order to continue so that they had equal jobs with men in ALL positions thought out the economy.
Do you believe that paid labor is the only type of labor that exists? Do you believe that manual labor is the only type of paid labor?
Why would I (or you, for that matter) go to a retired, anti feminist English professor on You Tube for a history lesson? There are plenty of world renowned, tenured, published history professors and historians. There are also many world renowned sociologists who have conducted ground breaking research — the findings of which have been peer reviewed and published — in the field of gender studies. Are you equally interested in their work, findings and conclusions? Can you name any of them?
Jamie — Are you a supporter of the “Men’s Rights” movement?
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/mens-rights-activists/
You realize you keep referencing the work of a group that is itself an extremist organization. The Southern Poverty Law Center is an anti-Christian hate group. Their mission is to undermine traditional values (Christian) at every opportunity. They support 4th wave feminism to undermine the traditional family (monogomous heterosexual man + monogamous heterosexual women). Undermining men and their rights is part of their strategy to achieve this end. The work of this organization cannot be taken seriously.
Which men’s rights is the SPLC undermining?
Thank you. I couldn't even be bothered reading past the first two sentences...
"I have a mental illness that makes me think that people will change their minds if I present the correct arguments with the appropriate facts and data."
Why would I follow that group. I read a sentence that I interpret as:
The foundation of women's rights activist ideology is rooted in misandrist generalisations about men.
Men NEED accountability-
Just like women do.
But the fact is..
Most people never bother with their own-and turn into the aggressors..rather than lead by example.
Each person like that..
Is the problem.
Thank you Tom for pointing out contradictions.
At the moment I'm more and more realising, I thought I'd realised enough previously, that the Media are become the enemy of citizens and I felt not alone after reading this: https://www.skynews.com.au/business/media/gifted-journalist-nick-tabakoff-delivers-words-of-wisdom-to-reporters-as-he-leaves-behind-decorated-media-career-to-focus-on-cancer-fight/news-story/cedfbe07af9912cdd8120832e1e54a64
Every man will attest to this. Do any women? I know there are, must many keep silent. What are you hearing?
If I had a son in Amerika, I would not allow him into public school and would shield him from the culture-at-large, which is sadistically feminist.
As for equality, it's the Jacobin abstraction that got you into this mess. It is not the solution.
Feminists is a way to lower fertility. That will not end till we have a full need for fertility again..the USS already have