Perhaps the question should be asked here...if the sexes truly became estranged and start to live fully separate lives...which sex will end up creating a happier more sustainable subsociety. My bet is on men over feminist governed women every day of the week.
Great to see this, Tom. It reminded me of a long essay in the Wall Street Journal (March 23-24, 2024), informing us that "around the world, women report being more distressed day-to-day but more satisfied with their lives in general" than men. It was written by Emily Bubrow. She herself seems "to care more than [her] husband about whether the kids exercise or do their homework," etc. But she is happy, or at least contented, even though anxious. No comment on him. She offers explanations, e.g., women have lower expectations and so are more easily satisfied. They also care more, and so are more easily dissatisfied. Looking back, she notes that, as women began to work more and get ahead more, they wanted more, so that made them sad all over. Bubrow concludes that "the problem may be that men are less in touch with their feelings." I take that to mean that men simply don't know whether they are sad or happy. In the end, the stress women feel is ok because it is part "of a rich and full life." Women are up more and down more and have fuller lives than men have. Her measure of a woman's happiness is what the woman says about herself. She asked no men about their happiness or unhappiness. She hypothesized about both sides of the issue after investigating only one of them. But that's nothing new in arguments of this kind.
Thanks Allen. Nothing new indeed. I have seen recent reports that women are gaining in happiness. I don't see much of that. What I see are women who have been told that they have had the best things in life taken from them by men and that it is now their turn to "have it all." Then they can't seem to have it all and their frustration gets stronger. Lies will do that to ya.
1. Why are older men happier than younger men? I would argue that as men age and either acquire a quality life partner or not, their sex drive moderates. Those with quality partners are happy in those relationships. Those not with quality partners come to realize that women are toxic and the happy life is to be found by avoiding any dependence or intimidate relationships with them. With that life experience, they withdraw from the hostility of toxic women and can enjoy their own lives and male friendships.
2. Of course feminists result in miserable women. That is always the outcome of unchecked narcissism.
My sister married at the age of 23. Our cousin, a very tall, attractive woman of 26 with a long history of being sought by young men insisted on being the Maid of Honor for my sister's wedding. At the time she was also dating my best friend whom she had met through me. Just prior to the wedding she got caught cheating on her boyfriend creating a tremendous amount of awkwardness and disruption to the wedding, especially when the distraught male was out walking on the beach pissed off in full view of the guests inside the wedding reception venue. All sorts of demands were made on me to "fix" the situation. I did my best, but wrote my cousin a letter afterward indicating my distress at her conduct and how she had tarnished my sister's wedding with her own selfish conduct. I pointed out that she might enjoy her current status as an attractive woman who can use and toss men aside at will, but that time would not always be on her side and that her looks would fade and her power in the dating market place would reverse and she would have to rely on her inner qualities to win the affection of others, inner qualities she was not developing due to her narcissism. She and her family were very pissed off at me for my honesty (they couldn't refute what I said). Ironically, some of the words must have gotten through as she and her boyfriend reconciled and now have twin boys in their mid 20's. If more men and families were willing to call out such conduct instead of pandering to feminist ideology....we would have a healthier and happier world me thinks.
Well done. We indeed need more mature men calling out the narcissism. Sadly, logic has been a target of feminism. It is now to the point that feelings win over logic most times. So sad.
In terms of being assets to humanity, name one activity other than bearing and breast feeding children that women can do as well as men without having to depend on separate "protected" leagues and competitions and affirmative action to be "equal"? The trans athletes have demonstrated the true merit of women's athletics when men and women have to compete on an even playing field. Perhaps that why women were denied the vote for so long...
You think telling women to get married because when we’re old men will be disgusted since we’re just a product—why tf would any woman want to get married to a male like that in the first place?
Men are weak and fickle, and therefore a bad investment. So, then they’re just going to cheat and walk away in a few years after women commit the crime of living? So we’ll avoid the marriage in the first place.
Done.
Men are so irrational that it’s actually comical. You’re all baffled why women want nothing to do with you and you think retarded stories like this will somehow scare young women into doing unpaid labor while men offer nothing in return because that’s how it was back in the good ol’ days.
Nobody gives af anymore. Go play video games and shut up.
The founder of "men are good" showing his true colors, referring to a woman as a "depreciating asset" and then wondering why women want nothing to do with him.
Why would any woman want anything to do with worthless males that clearly have no use in her life in the first place?
You guys are the same donkeys that sit around and scratch your heads at the dropping marriage and birth rates.
Women have no obligation to marry or reproduce with males who hate them.
Thanks for proving it, "men are good."
Go raise those male suicide rates! Looks like you are having a hard time realizing you were never any kind of asset in the first place.
It is interesting that Kat Highsmith took so much umbridge to the experience with my cousin that I related above. It does not occur to her that the same argument would apply to an attractive, athletic man who never developed his personality and character while relationships were easy and then finds himself on the outs once age catches up with him. The difference is that men don't WHINE about reaping the crop they have sown the way women do.
Perhaps I should add a bit to the story for those readers who might actually be interested in how the point plays out. The aforementioned cousin actually took the advice granted and started improving her personality and character to be more worthy of the positive attention of partners. She cleaned up her act, reconciled with the man she treated so awfully at my sister's wedding. They have been happily married for some 25 years and have twin boys who just graduated from college. The story had a happy ending.
Sadly, my sister whose wedding was negatively impacted did NOT follow the same advice. She became a very demanding, irrational and illogical spouse to her husband once she discovered he was not perfect but had imperfections...far smaller imperfections than she of course. He did everything to try to meet her ever more ridiculous demands as it became clear that she was trying to set conditions so impossible that her husband would "fail" and she could then demand a divorce without taking the responsibility for actually being the cause of the discord in their marriage. They were divorced within 18 months of the wedding...less time than they had lived together before the wedding. My sister's narrative of her being the victim of an irrationally impossible husband really fell apart when her ex-husband was dating another woman within 3 months and was married within a couple years. She has had no success with men over nearly 30 years. She has instead sought companionship with dogs in relationships so bizarre that when one of the dogs was 17 and terminally ill the vet actually called my mother concerned that my sister had become emotionally dependent on the poor dog who was clinging to life for her and that she might commit suicide when he inevitably passed.
What can we learn from these examples?
1. Anyone seeking a long term relationship with another person needs to be remember that they have an obligation and duty to be worthy of their partners love, time and respect. We all age and our looks/abilities fade. What is inside, however, is something we can control and should develop. This applies to men and women.
2. Any person who fails to observe the first rule is going to have to choose between developing a full and happy life without partnership...or become very bitter and unhappy because of their own narcissism.
Looking at Kat Highsmith's statements, it is clear she seems to think relationships are about what men can do for women....not a mutually supportive arrangement based on respect, give and take. She is the classic toxic feminist, the insufferable woman who thinks she is God's gift to the universe and can't handle the reality that most people "swipe right" when encountering her.
Based on the relative rates of complaints one sees from men and women, it is women who are far more fragile and prone to failure than men in these matters.
Hmm...no one was telling women to get married. The point was that women who are attractive when they are young, who find acquiring partners easy due to physical attraction, should consider the long term when their physical attractiveness fades and they will succeed or fail based on their personality. If attractive women fail to develop their personality in a positive way...they will find themselves suddenly without people interested in having relationship with them. I imagine that is what happened to Kat Highsmith which is why she is so bitter. Sadly, even cats will eventually flee the terrible personality that most feminist women seem to adopt. Men will at least amuse themselves with video games while bitter lonely women will just descend into self imposed depression and bouts of hatred for everything around them.
Regarding dealing with Men's Issues, it is not popular because certain people would like to be able to monetise it.
Second, in Australia, there are many attempts to address the male suicide rate. The issue here is, firstly, it is not high on the agenda Federally or by Local governments, so there is no or very little funding available.
The other issue is that it appears the separate groups do not talk to each, for example, "Are you bogged, mate?". "The ten point tune-up for Men,",, "Are you OK?", "What worth is a Man?" and many others.
I hate to rain on the parade, whilst it is possible that men as a total group are happier than women as a total group.
For various reasons, I belong to the group that just exists. I did have period where I was extremely happy, but the rug was pulled out from under my feet and I have never been able to bounce back.
Well aside from the joy I get from my children (even now when their adults), the last 15 years of my 23 year marriage was the most miserable time of my life.
Perhaps the question should be asked here...if the sexes truly became estranged and start to live fully separate lives...which sex will end up creating a happier more sustainable subsociety. My bet is on men over feminist governed women every day of the week.
Agree.
And yet males are 76% of Tinder.
Who is chasing whom?
The male suicide rate is too low.
Well, I keep swiping left on you and you're still here.
Great to see this, Tom. It reminded me of a long essay in the Wall Street Journal (March 23-24, 2024), informing us that "around the world, women report being more distressed day-to-day but more satisfied with their lives in general" than men. It was written by Emily Bubrow. She herself seems "to care more than [her] husband about whether the kids exercise or do their homework," etc. But she is happy, or at least contented, even though anxious. No comment on him. She offers explanations, e.g., women have lower expectations and so are more easily satisfied. They also care more, and so are more easily dissatisfied. Looking back, she notes that, as women began to work more and get ahead more, they wanted more, so that made them sad all over. Bubrow concludes that "the problem may be that men are less in touch with their feelings." I take that to mean that men simply don't know whether they are sad or happy. In the end, the stress women feel is ok because it is part "of a rich and full life." Women are up more and down more and have fuller lives than men have. Her measure of a woman's happiness is what the woman says about herself. She asked no men about their happiness or unhappiness. She hypothesized about both sides of the issue after investigating only one of them. But that's nothing new in arguments of this kind.
Thanks Allen. Nothing new indeed. I have seen recent reports that women are gaining in happiness. I don't see much of that. What I see are women who have been told that they have had the best things in life taken from them by men and that it is now their turn to "have it all." Then they can't seem to have it all and their frustration gets stronger. Lies will do that to ya.
Two quick comments:
1. Why are older men happier than younger men? I would argue that as men age and either acquire a quality life partner or not, their sex drive moderates. Those with quality partners are happy in those relationships. Those not with quality partners come to realize that women are toxic and the happy life is to be found by avoiding any dependence or intimidate relationships with them. With that life experience, they withdraw from the hostility of toxic women and can enjoy their own lives and male friendships.
2. Of course feminists result in miserable women. That is always the outcome of unchecked narcissism.
Yes, a man's value tends to increase as he ages while a woman's value, based on appearance, tends to dissipate.
My sister married at the age of 23. Our cousin, a very tall, attractive woman of 26 with a long history of being sought by young men insisted on being the Maid of Honor for my sister's wedding. At the time she was also dating my best friend whom she had met through me. Just prior to the wedding she got caught cheating on her boyfriend creating a tremendous amount of awkwardness and disruption to the wedding, especially when the distraught male was out walking on the beach pissed off in full view of the guests inside the wedding reception venue. All sorts of demands were made on me to "fix" the situation. I did my best, but wrote my cousin a letter afterward indicating my distress at her conduct and how she had tarnished my sister's wedding with her own selfish conduct. I pointed out that she might enjoy her current status as an attractive woman who can use and toss men aside at will, but that time would not always be on her side and that her looks would fade and her power in the dating market place would reverse and she would have to rely on her inner qualities to win the affection of others, inner qualities she was not developing due to her narcissism. She and her family were very pissed off at me for my honesty (they couldn't refute what I said). Ironically, some of the words must have gotten through as she and her boyfriend reconciled and now have twin boys in their mid 20's. If more men and families were willing to call out such conduct instead of pandering to feminist ideology....we would have a healthier and happier world me thinks.
Well done. We indeed need more mature men calling out the narcissism. Sadly, logic has been a target of feminism. It is now to the point that feelings win over logic most times. So sad.
LOL
Two useless old donkeys commiserating about logic.
Neither of you were assets in the first place, and you never will be.
Go take your blood pressure medication, "men are good."
Sadly true...and a reasonable basis to reconsider the 19th amendment if that does change....
LOL
Well if there's one thing males love, it's logic. That's probably why they're doing so well in the Middle East.
You were never an asset in the first place. That's why men are 76% of Tinder, and act like they're good when they're worthless.
Men shouldn't be allowed to vote.
In terms of being assets to humanity, name one activity other than bearing and breast feeding children that women can do as well as men without having to depend on separate "protected" leagues and competitions and affirmative action to be "equal"? The trans athletes have demonstrated the true merit of women's athletics when men and women have to compete on an even playing field. Perhaps that why women were denied the vote for so long...
LOL
You think telling women to get married because when we’re old men will be disgusted since we’re just a product—why tf would any woman want to get married to a male like that in the first place?
Men are weak and fickle, and therefore a bad investment. So, then they’re just going to cheat and walk away in a few years after women commit the crime of living? So we’ll avoid the marriage in the first place.
Done.
Men are so irrational that it’s actually comical. You’re all baffled why women want nothing to do with you and you think retarded stories like this will somehow scare young women into doing unpaid labor while men offer nothing in return because that’s how it was back in the good ol’ days.
Nobody gives af anymore. Go play video games and shut up.
Looks like someone is having a hard time being a depreciating asset.
Ayup!
Well, it looks like two old donkeys having a hard time realizing they never had any value in the first place and never were any type of asset anyway.
I'm sure you'll get matches on Tinder with this attitude.
Go improve those male suicide rates!
LOL
The founder of "men are good" showing his true colors, referring to a woman as a "depreciating asset" and then wondering why women want nothing to do with him.
Why would any woman want anything to do with worthless males that clearly have no use in her life in the first place?
You guys are the same donkeys that sit around and scratch your heads at the dropping marriage and birth rates.
Women have no obligation to marry or reproduce with males who hate them.
Thanks for proving it, "men are good."
Go raise those male suicide rates! Looks like you are having a hard time realizing you were never any kind of asset in the first place.
It is interesting that Kat Highsmith took so much umbridge to the experience with my cousin that I related above. It does not occur to her that the same argument would apply to an attractive, athletic man who never developed his personality and character while relationships were easy and then finds himself on the outs once age catches up with him. The difference is that men don't WHINE about reaping the crop they have sown the way women do.
Perhaps I should add a bit to the story for those readers who might actually be interested in how the point plays out. The aforementioned cousin actually took the advice granted and started improving her personality and character to be more worthy of the positive attention of partners. She cleaned up her act, reconciled with the man she treated so awfully at my sister's wedding. They have been happily married for some 25 years and have twin boys who just graduated from college. The story had a happy ending.
Sadly, my sister whose wedding was negatively impacted did NOT follow the same advice. She became a very demanding, irrational and illogical spouse to her husband once she discovered he was not perfect but had imperfections...far smaller imperfections than she of course. He did everything to try to meet her ever more ridiculous demands as it became clear that she was trying to set conditions so impossible that her husband would "fail" and she could then demand a divorce without taking the responsibility for actually being the cause of the discord in their marriage. They were divorced within 18 months of the wedding...less time than they had lived together before the wedding. My sister's narrative of her being the victim of an irrationally impossible husband really fell apart when her ex-husband was dating another woman within 3 months and was married within a couple years. She has had no success with men over nearly 30 years. She has instead sought companionship with dogs in relationships so bizarre that when one of the dogs was 17 and terminally ill the vet actually called my mother concerned that my sister had become emotionally dependent on the poor dog who was clinging to life for her and that she might commit suicide when he inevitably passed.
What can we learn from these examples?
1. Anyone seeking a long term relationship with another person needs to be remember that they have an obligation and duty to be worthy of their partners love, time and respect. We all age and our looks/abilities fade. What is inside, however, is something we can control and should develop. This applies to men and women.
2. Any person who fails to observe the first rule is going to have to choose between developing a full and happy life without partnership...or become very bitter and unhappy because of their own narcissism.
Looking at Kat Highsmith's statements, it is clear she seems to think relationships are about what men can do for women....not a mutually supportive arrangement based on respect, give and take. She is the classic toxic feminist, the insufferable woman who thinks she is God's gift to the universe and can't handle the reality that most people "swipe right" when encountering her.
Based on the relative rates of complaints one sees from men and women, it is women who are far more fragile and prone to failure than men in these matters.
Hmm...no one was telling women to get married. The point was that women who are attractive when they are young, who find acquiring partners easy due to physical attraction, should consider the long term when their physical attractiveness fades and they will succeed or fail based on their personality. If attractive women fail to develop their personality in a positive way...they will find themselves suddenly without people interested in having relationship with them. I imagine that is what happened to Kat Highsmith which is why she is so bitter. Sadly, even cats will eventually flee the terrible personality that most feminist women seem to adopt. Men will at least amuse themselves with video games while bitter lonely women will just descend into self imposed depression and bouts of hatred for everything around them.
Looks like the depreciating asset comment hit a nerve.... lol
Regarding dealing with Men's Issues, it is not popular because certain people would like to be able to monetise it.
Second, in Australia, there are many attempts to address the male suicide rate. The issue here is, firstly, it is not high on the agenda Federally or by Local governments, so there is no or very little funding available.
The other issue is that it appears the separate groups do not talk to each, for example, "Are you bogged, mate?". "The ten point tune-up for Men,",, "Are you OK?", "What worth is a Man?" and many others.
Gynocentrism plays a role in this as it sensitizes all to the pain of women while obscuring the pain of men. No one notices.
I hate to rain on the parade, whilst it is possible that men as a total group are happier than women as a total group.
For various reasons, I belong to the group that just exists. I did have period where I was extremely happy, but the rug was pulled out from under my feet and I have never been able to bounce back.
Well aside from the joy I get from my children (even now when their adults), the last 15 years of my 23 year marriage was the most miserable time of my life.